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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    What is it do you suppose that has changed? Do you think that over 200 years the government has deemed itself MORE trustworthy? LESS intrusive into ones personal business? Do you believe that we as a people are less qualified and competent to provide for our selves, our defense? Are there other specifically enumerated int he bill of rights that you feel are quaint and outdated and should thus be eliminated?

    Jingoistic rhetoric...do you mean private citizens should NOT have the right to self defense? Private citizens should NOT be included in the US Code definitions of the 'unorganized' militia? That government today is trustworthy, that local and state governments are secure and can be counted on to not only to NOT deny individuals their rights but to protect and defend them from others? If you are advocating for change, the burden of proof lies with you to prove why the constitution and rights deemed so sacred by the founders so as to specifically be listed in the Bill of Rights should now be sacrificed. The Constitution. CAN be changed...and all you would have to do is follow the procedure. Pass the amendment in both the house and senate, find a way for it to not get shot down by the Supreme Court, have the president sign it, and then have 3/4 of the states vote for the passage of said amendment. Should be a simple enough task if you have the justification.
    I would hope that society (Western liberal, not societies per se) are definitely more stable, thus, have changed a great deal. Have you not enough checks and balances within the political infrastructure to feel safe from government aggression? Who would it be that attacked your citizens? Who and what would you be defending yourself against?

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    I would hope that society (Western liberal, not societies per se) are definitely more stable, thus, have changed a great deal. Have you not enough checks and balances within the political infrastructure to feel safe from government aggression? Who would it be that attacked your citizens? Who and what would you be defending yourself against?

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    Well...I certainly guess that depends on which side of the fence you are viewing things and on what day. I would imagine here are more than a few people that were very supportive of the 99% for example and saw the police action as oppressive and violent aggression against free speech. Certainly we have had several threads here questioning police action and the use of violent force. And then there is our government...that wonderful collection of party and partisan driven politicians. Do you see them as trustworthy? Reliable?

    I truly believe if our founding fathers saw what we are on our way to becoming they would have written in even more and greater protections of personal freedoms.

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    Re: Gun Control

    [QUOTE=VanceMack;1061264958]
    Well...I certainly guess that depends on which side of the fence you are viewing things and on what day. I would imagine here are more than a few people that were very supportive of the 99% for example and saw the police action as oppressive and violent aggression against free speech. Certainly we have had several threads here questioning police action and the use of violent force. And then there is our government...that wonderful collection of party and partisan driven politicians. Do you see them as trustworthy? Reliable?
    Do you really feel (although they may well be guilty of being over zealous in their duties, and guilty of some atrocious brutality) that the Police have the ability to turn against the citizenry? I say again, surely there are the 'checks and balances' (voting-legislation-court system) in place to counter abuse of government power. If we follow your logic, are you suggesting the only thing that keeps your goverment in check, is the fear that the electorate will rise up if need be? Is America really that unstable?


    I truly believe if our founding fathers saw what we are on our way to becoming they would have written in even more and greater protections of personal freedoms
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    Personal freedoms are certainly to be treasured. I view things slightly less apocalyptic.

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    Re: Gun Control

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post

    Do you really feel (although they may well be guilty of being over zealous in their duties, and guilty of some atrocious brutality) that the Police have the ability to turn against the citizenry? I say again, surely there are the 'checks and balances' (voting-legislation-court system) in place for abuse of government power. If we follow your logic, are you suggesting the only thing that keeps your goverment in check, is the fear that the electorate will rise up if need be? Is America really that unstable?


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    Personal freedoms are certainly to be treasured. I view things slightly less apocalyptic.

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    Probably not. Yet. But then...a year ago I dont think people in London would have expected Tottenham to burn. Or Greece. I doubt people would have expected riots at UC Davis or the streets of California or clashes in Denver. And a year ago I wouldnt have thought people int his country would be so stupid as to advocate for gun bans. Who knows where we will be in a year or two.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    So, in other words, your gun is not meant for protection?

    We can both agree that, in the split second moment you might ever need to protect yourself with a gun, 60 seconds is about 56 seconds to long. Study long, study wrong.

    Is it for recreation? Do you plan to use it someday to go after someone? Help me to understand it's purpose and value to you.

    PS... Ironically, the little boy that shot his friend with his momma's gun, I mentioned earlier was named Chris also.
    For self defense. Why the awkward and stupid questions? "Do you plan to use it to go after someone." Common man... A minute may not be good enough for you but at least its something. I could get it unlocked and loaded in under 20 seconds if I rushed but id rather be silent about it as intruders searched through the house. I dont have a gun because I think Ill ever need to use it. I have one just in case.

    Say a natural disaster happens and people go bonkers. I want self defense. Say the economy collapses and I need to make it safely home with some food. I want self defense. Say some foreign country sneaks attack us and tries taking over cities. I want the gun for self defense so I have a higher chance of making it to the woods.

    Just because it takes longer to access a locked gun doesnt make it not meant for protection.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    For self defense. Why the awkward and stupid questions? "Do you plan to use it to go after someone." Common man... A minute may not be good enough for you but at least its something. I could get it unlocked and loaded in under 20 seconds if I rushed but id rather be silent about it as intruders searched through the house. I dont have a gun because I think Ill ever need to use it. I have one just in case.

    Say a natural disaster happens and people go bonkers. I want self defense. Say the economy collapses and I need to make it safely home with some food. I want self defense. Say some foreign country sneaks attack us and tries taking over cities. I want the gun for self defense so I have a higher chance of making it to the woods.

    Just because it takes longer to access a locked gun doesnt make it not meant for protection.
    Understood. Good reasons. My goofy questions were merely to make a point. I'm sorry if they came across as offensive. Not my intention.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Not all at once, no. They'd start with much smaller steps, such as the Brady Bill and the fraudulent “assault weapon” ban.
    Apparently it takes century's to accomplish. Isn't more likely that some just see conspiracies everywhere.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    I have already posted one thread in regards to the mass shootings, trying to bring together ideas on the most effective way to slow gun related violence and try to eliminate these mass shootings.

    This poll is more black and white because I am simply wondering would you be in favor of more gun control if it had the potential to reduce violence.
    It does not. So no. It just changes who the victims are.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I don't think our government is going to come around collecting our guns for the hell of it and am not afraid our government is going to suddenly go bananas. If it did? Our little piddly arsenals would mean nothing anyway.
    If the goal is to make it easy for the government to seize weapons then registering everyone's weapons make a great first step. If guns are going to be registered let us make sure all of the politicians have their guns registered. But not the citizens.

    How is the war in Afghanistan going? What are they doing with their piddly arsenals?

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    First you'd have to convince me that gun control actually has the potential to reduce violence in the USA. I do not believe this is the case. There is no evidence that any existing gun control legislation has had any siginficant impact on violent crime.
    Actually it does. It allows the criminals to attack a better class of citizen. They are the ones who obey the law and disarm.

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