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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not following you. Can you restate?
    see Z's answer=that is spot on

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Ok. But I do be the argument has been used to justify regulations we have, and was argued before most of us were born.
    actually FDR wanted to ban machine guns to put the bootleggers out of business (as idiotic as thinking an interstate ban on switchblades would get rid of the hells' angels) but his AG said that was unconstitutional so they concocted a tax scheme based on the Commerce Clause that would make owning a MG too expensive for anyone but the wealthy

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    actually FDR wanted to ban machine guns to put the bootleggers out of business (as idiotic as thinking an interstate ban on switchblades would get rid of the hells' angels) but his AG said that was unconstitutional so they concocted a tax scheme based on the Commerce Clause that would make owning a MG too expensive for anyone but the wealthy
    I'm thinking more US v Miller. But there are other places as well I think.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I'm thinking more US v Miller. But there are other places as well I think.
    Miller was an outcome based decision where there was no Miller in attendance to present a contrary argument since he had died by the time the case came up. and if we were to actually follow miller then the tommy gun, the M14, the M2 and the M16 would all be clearly protected since the military use thereof is indisputable

    the supremes were braying asses in that case because they pretended that there was no evidence of shotguns being used by the military which is idiotic. indeed there was a major controversy in WWI where US soldiers used Winchester 1897 and 1912 model shotguns loaded with buck shot as "trench sweepers" -far more effective in the close quarters of trench warfare than bolt action rifles. The germans claimed that buck shot=which was soft lead rather then FMJ bullets, violated the hague convention (often called the geneva convention terms) against "expanding" or 'dum dum' bullets

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Miller was an outcome based decision where there was no Miller in attendance to present a contrary argument since he had died by the time the case came up. and if we were to actually follow miller then the tommy gun, the M14, the M2 and the M16 would all be clearly protected since the military use thereof is indisputable

    the supremes were braying asses in that case because they pretended that there was no evidence of shotguns being used by the military which is idiotic. indeed there was a major controversy in WWI where US soldiers used Winchester 1897 and 1912 model shotguns loaded with buck shot as "trench sweepers" -far more effective in the close quarters of trench warfare than bolt action rifles. The germans claimed that buck shot=which was soft lead rather then FMJ bullets, violated the hague convention (often called the geneva convention terms) against "expanding" or 'dum dum' bullets
    Yes, I think I understand the Miller ruling. The main point was that they could regulate.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yes, I think I understand the Miller ruling. The main point was that they could regulate.
    yeah and it was based on a fraudulent expansion of the commerce clause because they didn't want to upset the guy who threatened to pack the court

    but the regulation was based on a bogus factual assumption

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    yeah and it was based on a fraudulent expansion of the commerce clause because they didn't want to upset the guy who threatened to pack the court

    but the regulation was based on a bogus factual assumption
    That sounds like an excuse to me. Would you agree we regulate today? Seem to me that argument won he day.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That sounds like an excuse to me. Would you agree we regulate today? Seem to me that argument won he day.
    that is the statist approach

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that is the statist approach
    No approach. Just a fact.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No approach. Just a fact.
    yes and many people believe it was based on improper grounds. sort of like claiming that some guy in my home state not Growing wheat impacted "interstate commerce"

    FDR used the turmoil of the times to basically crap all over the bill of rights

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