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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Show me the current legislation proposed that attacks gun owners?
    Google "Connecticut's Assault Weapon Ban", read the text of the law, and that's your answer.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Show me where in our history that we've banned all weapons. I'd be interested in seeing that.

    there are several of you who think that as long as some weapons are allowed then our rights have not been infringed You also are ignoring the fact that anti gun nutcases know they cannot immediately ban everything. that is why the patron saint of the gun hater movement-the late Pete Shields-admitted that an incremental approach to bannings was most likely to be effective.


    In 1934 the NFA not only imposed an extremely expensive tax on automatic weapons, it allowed local law enforcement officers to refuse ownership for any reason or no reason at all. that was a de facto ban in many cases.

    then we had the ban on importing certain handguns in 1960 including some high quality weapons like the famous Walther PPK pistol. then in 1986, the dems, in a craven attempt to derail the McClure Volker act, attached a poison pill that most likely was not properly introduced or passed called the hughes amendment which banned the sale and possession of any automatic weapon registered (ie by the manufacturer with the ATF) after May 19, 1986 and this drove up the cost of most already registered weapons of a minimum of 5000 dollars. then we had the GHWB order (based on a new ATF interpretation of what is "sporting purpose) banning importation of certain rifles (18 USC 922 codified this-which is why imported AK rifles have to have a certain number of american made parts to be legal). Then CLinton banned all imports from China that involve weapons or ammo and then his Gun ban

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Show me the current legislation proposed that attacks gun owners?
    every year nut case democrats introduce bans on semi auto sporting firearms. Diane FineSwine has promised to introduce another ban in back when she helped get the first one passed, she admitted she wanted to seize all those that were currently owned at the time. Weren't you one of the obama supporters who claimed Obama and the dems were not anti gun?

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    Re: Gun Control

    I'm sure we'll be seeing so many on the left gleefully quoting Benjamin Franklin and Martin Niemoller over the next few weeks/months during the debate to institute restrictions upon the 2nd amendment in hopes of protecting the children. I got so used to seeing it tossed out over the past decade, I'd be disappointed to see it magically not appear.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    It was done in the 1930's with submachine guns. They ended up off the street and there were no added actions against the ownership of other weapons.
    Good. So we are still there, no automatic, or select fire weapons, have been added. The "assualt weapon" is nothing that did not exist before.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    there are several of you who think that as long as some weapons are allowed then our rights have not been infringed You also are ignoring the fact that anti gun nutcases know they cannot immediately ban everything. that is why the patron saint of the gun hater movement-the late Pete Shields-admitted that an incremental approach to bannings was most likely to be effective.


    In 1934 the NFA not only imposed an extremely expensive tax on automatic weapons, it allowed local law enforcement officers to refuse ownership for any reason or no reason at all. that was a de facto ban in many cases.

    then we had the ban on importing certain handguns in 1960 including some high quality weapons like the famous Walther PPK pistol. then in 1986, the dems, in a craven attempt to derail the McClure Volker act, attached a poison pill that most likely was not properly introduced or passed called the hughes amendment which banned the sale and possession of any automatic weapon registered (ie by the manufacturer with the ATF) after May 19, 1986 and this drove up the cost of most already registered weapons of a minimum of 5000 dollars. then we had the GHWB order (based on a new ATF interpretation of what is "sporting purpose) banning importation of certain rifles (18 USC 922 codified this-which is why imported AK rifles have to have a certain number of american made parts to be legal). Then CLinton banned all imports from China that involve weapons or ammo and then his Gun ban
    As I understand it, the words well regulated allows for some restrictions. And we've seen such restrictions almost sense the beginning. That genie isn't going back into the bottle. But we've never been close to banning all guns. That's just a fact.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    As I understand it, the words well regulated allows for some restrictions. And we've seen such restrictions almost sense the beginning. That genie isn't going back into the bottle. But we've never been close to banning all guns. That's just a fact.

    that is idiotic, for you to say that you have to claim that part of the bill of rights is a delegation of power to the federal government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that is idiotic, for you to say that you have to claim that part of the bill of rights is a delegation of power to the federal government.
    Not following you. Can you restate?

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not following you. Can you restate?
    I believe what he's suggesting is that the Bill of Rights tells the government what it can't do, not what it can do.

    You're suggesting that the 2nd amendment specifically tells the government it CAN regulate the right to bear arms. IE, that's not something he likely believes is indicated in other parts of the Constitution as an ability of the federal government, and thus the only place you're deriving that ability from is the 2nd amendment within the Bill of Rights. Thus, he's suggesting the notion that the 2nd gives the government the ability to regulate peoples bearing of arms is out of place with the notion that the Bill of Rights tells the government what they CAN'T do rather than what they can.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I believe what he's suggesting is that the Bill of Rights tells the government what it can't do, not what it can do.

    You're suggesting that the 2nd amendment specifically tells the government it CAN regulate the right to bear arms. IE, that's not something he likely believes is indicated in other parts of the Constitution as an ability of the federal government, and thus the only place you're deriving that ability from is the 2nd amendment within the Bill of Rights. Thus, he's suggesting the notion that the 2nd gives the government the ability to regulate peoples bearing of arms is out of place with the notion that the Bill of Rights tells the government what they CAN'T do rather than what they can.
    Ok. But I do be the argument has been used to justify regulations we have, and was argued before most of us were born.

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