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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Now let's think about that for a minute; If the cops have figured out that they need to be better armed it's because they know that the threat warrants that additional firepower. If the cops are feeling threatened enough to carry around a long gun in their trunk then doesn't that mean that ALL OF US are subject to that same threat? And if all of us are subject to that threat then shouldn't we all be armed to properly address it?
    Here's the problem with what you said. They are being directed to go into danger, as part of their line of work, right? So they expect to go against some of the worst that society has to offer. I don't think the average citizen does the same thing. Have you pulled many people over this week, and approached their driver side door? None? That's what I thought.

    How many drug busts ave you gone on today? None? Yeah, I figured.

    Equating the threat against a police officer with the threat against the average citizen is ridiculous.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    I would say your attempt to flip logic on it's ear to argue that decoupling of militia from individual Right to Keep and Bear has no merit. No militia requirement = No need for high cap mags for semi only rifles. What you call feed good might be what the majority of our citizens call common sense and if demanded by those citizens, codified into law and approved by the Supreme Court- then 'feel good' or not it will be the law of the land.

    There will be no 'harassment', just enforcement- could say mandatory seatbelt laws are harassment.

    Could say alot of things- but you would be incorrect...
    You're trying to make wishful thinking on your part appear to be a done deal or inevitable. It hasn't happened, so step back and take it down a notch.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    actually non LEOs are more likely to be attacked. You see cops are well armed, and have radios that can summon backup rather quickly. When cops get into gun fights with bad guys, in many cases the cops are ready for a fight and often instigate the action. Other civilians almost never instigate the conflict but rather its the criminals who attack.
    Source for your claim? On a side note, people without guns are less likely to be the victim of gun violence than gun owners, according to UPENN
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    Re: Gun Control

    Since the purpose of regulating firearms in the US is to serve the common good, I think the studies in the following link serve as indicators of the negative consequences of having such a prevalent firearm culture.

    You should look at the link.

    StudiesGun Threats and Self-Defense Gun Use - Firearms Research - Harvard Injury Control Research Center - Harvard School of Public Health
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Source for your claim? On a side note, people without guns are less likely to be the victim of gun violence than gun owners, according to UPENN
    and DOJ studies suggest that those who fight back are far less likely to be hurt or killed especially if they have a gun than those who act like sheep

    most people murdered are criminals and many criminals carry guns-nice try, that study fails

    common sense and 30 years of working with law enforcement.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Since the purpose of regulating firearms in the US is to serve the common good, I think the studies in the following link serve as indicators of the negative consequences of having such a prevalent firearm culture.

    You should look at the link.

    StudiesGun Threats and Self-Defense Gun Use - Firearms Research - Harvard Injury Control Research Center - Harvard School of Public Health
    your assumption is crap. the purpose of regulating firearms is to control people whose politics are often contrary to the gun controller

    those studies all are run by people who hate guns and work backwards to prove their hatred

    what is funny is that several pro gun studies were also authored by intellectually honest gun haters who came to pro gun conclusions

    Hemenway is a notorious gun hater whose methodology has been lampooned by other researchers


    fail on your part

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    your assumption is crap. the purpose of regulating firearms is to control people whose politics are often contrary to the gun controller

    those studies all are run by people who hate guns and work backwards to prove their hatred

    what is funny is that several pro gun studies were also authored by intellectually honest gun haters who came to pro gun conclusions

    Hemenway is a notorious gun hater whose methodology has been lampooned by other researchers


    fail on your part
    One only has to look at the Kleck and Lott studies. Both started with a bias but remained objective as gun haters and completely switched to the pro gun side, I have nothing but respect for those two.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You're trying to make wishful thinking on your part appear to be a done deal or inevitable. It hasn't happened, so step back and take it down a notch.
    Not wishful thinking on my part, my observations based on the flip flopping, wiggle through wormholes rants of the radical 2nd A supporters.

    Way too soon to say what is going to happen, so lets all wait and see.

    As far as who needs to take it down a notch, you don't read many posts in here do you?

    Or is it only the ones you don't agree with you think needs to be taken down a notch-

    very ahhhh American...

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    One only has to look at the Kleck and Lott studies. Both started with a bias but remained objective as gun haters and completely switched to the pro gun side, I have nothing but respect for those two.
    that Harvard Turd is notorious for his anti gun outcome based nonsense. If people knew who funded the crap he spews they might be less likely to give his crap any credibility. Its like that fraud named Saul Cornell who used to be at OSU-a historian whose whining about guns was funded by the Joyce Foundation

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    your assumption is crap. the purpose of regulating firearms is to control people whose politics are often contrary to the gun controller

    those studies all are run by people who hate guns and work backwards to prove their hatred

    what is funny is that several pro gun studies were also authored by intellectually honest gun haters who came to pro gun conclusions

    Hemenway is a notorious gun hater whose methodology has been lampooned by other researchers


    fail on your part

    Right......Repeter documents studies and you only offer your biased opinions, and you think you've won the debate.
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