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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    i personally dont mind a registration so much with very strict guidlines for it but why and how would it "certainly" cut down on guns getting into criminal hands, i think it would have zero impact on that.
    Private sellers will be much more likely to require background checks if guns used in a crime can be traced back to them.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The cowboy interpretation of the 2nd amendment is what I'm talking about evolving.
    Way to drop the ball again.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Private sellers will be much more likely to require background checks if guns used in a crime can be traced back to them.
    if the private seller is selling registered guns and if thats where a significant amount of criminals get them?

    thats what im asking for, again im not against a very loose registration im asking how you come to the conclusion that it "certainly" will have an substantial effect
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    if the private seller is selling registered guns and if thats where a significant amount of criminals get them?

    thats what im asking for, again im not against a very loose registration im asking how you come to the conclusion that it "certainly" will have an substantial effect
    A registry wouldn't force a private seller to BGC, Catawba doesn't know what he's talking about. It would force me to inventory what I have and who I sell it to, including addresses and other private info, not the government's business.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    if the private seller is selling registered guns and if thats where a significant amount of criminals get them?

    thats what im asking for, again im not against a very loose registration im asking how you come to the conclusion that it "certainly" will have an substantial effect
    "The ATF analyzed more than 1,530 trafficking investigations over a two-and-a-half-year period and found gun shows to be the second leading source of illegally diverted guns in the nation"Gun shows in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    "The ATF analyzed more than 1,530 trafficking investigations over a two-and-a-half-year period and found gun shows to be the second leading source of illegally diverted guns in the nation"Gun shows in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    that doesnt tell me anything, if they were "diverted" what would registering do or how would we guarantee they are registered before the show?

    also how many of these went on to go into the hands of CRIMINALS like you said or were used in a crime?

    your own links says .08% or criminals have admitted to getting guns at a gun show

    so what im getting at is that it seems to me you are totally guessing and theres nothing to back up your claim. Im gonna keep reading though
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    tell me why civilian police departments who have no greater right to shoot a criminal than I do should have "weapons of war" and the rest of us civilians should not
    There is a fine line between vigilantism and self-defense. You're talking about the former. I'm talking about the latter.
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    Re: Gun Control

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    assault rifles should be freely available to all citizens since

    1) they are of common usage

    2 are not unusually dangerous

    3 and have clear militia use
    They are very clearly dangerous. The entire purpose behind an assault rifle is not to defend yourself, or hunt game; it is to kill people.

    If you want to tell me otherwise, I think that maybe you need to learn a little more about the purpose of a military.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    tell me what sort of expertise you have that would allow you to decide what I need for self defense

    and tell me-if police agencies have determined that such rifles are ideal for CIVILIAN employees for use in defense against criminals in urban environments it sort of suggests that such rifles are equally useful for other civilians to use against criminals in the same environment under the same rules of engagement
    I don't need firsthand experience, I can refer to analysis, statistics, and other factual sources. Now you tell me, how many times have you shot someone in self-defense?

    You're assuming civilians employed in dangerous areas/lines of work have the same rules of engagement as bystanders/observers. You're essentially calling for bystanders to be vigilantes, and I'm sorry, but you're in the wrong country for that buddy.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you clearly don't understand the holdings

    nor do you understand miller

    do you know what DICTA means

    were semi auto rifles at issue at Heller or McDonald
    Clearly, you've never heard of the words precedent, analogy, or example.
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