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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Sorry, I should have been more specific. The Supreme Court has stated that the 2nd amendment covers weapons used for self-defense. Some semi-automatic weapons do not fall under that category.
    really? and where in those opinions did the court make that ruling

    do you have a clue what dicta is

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    I see where you're coming from. Without any firsthand experience, I'd imagine most criminals would be scared off if you pull the trigger on a pistol in their general direction.



    With you on that.



    I don't think that the average citizen should be armed to think about that. I can see a person having up to a shotgun in their house, but they shouldn't be armed to fight a war. We live in a stable country, with a decent police force. I don't foresee a nationwide fall to chaos in our future.
    tell me why civilian police departments who have no greater right to shoot a criminal than I do should have "weapons of war" and the rest of us civilians should not

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by BassDrop View Post
    We need to make sure that law abiding, mentally healthy citizens who are capable of shooting a gun are able to acquire a gun, while on the other hand make it much harder for someone who doesn't meet this criteria to get a gun. We also need to only allow people to legally purchase non semi-auto / auto guns. Because people we don't allow to get guns can get guns illegally, we have to be careful not to restrict the kind of person who follows the three criteria stated above from getting guns because the best way to protect people from a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.
    Limitting the "good guy" gun to six rounds max (5 with none in the cylinder under the firing pin) is not such a great idea, thus police have largely switched to semi-auto. Another advantage to "good guy" semi-autos is that they are smaller, easier to concealed carry, yet have longer barrels (greater accuracy) for the same overall firearm length.

    3.3" barrel semi-auto:

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    2" barrel revolver:

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    "assault weapon" is a meaningless legal term that used to include my little 22 rifle and by Diane Feinstein's standard now includes any handgun that holds > 10 rounds.
    That's my mistake, I meant assault rifle. I actually haven't looked at Feinstein's proposal, but I'd agree that categorizing high-capacity handguns as assault weapons is stupid. Same goes for your rifle.

    [QUOTE=Lachean;1061327111]Sawed off shotguns are highly ineffective, and thus pointless to ban as well.

    They can be concealed, and effectiveness aside, I wouldn't want people to be carrying around shotguns in their coats. I actually don't know the statistics of usage for these weapons, so for now this is a side issue to me.

    Sure we should, they only carry semi auto pistols, maybe a shotgun.
    Yes. I don't think the average citizen should exceed that.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so what makes a Bushmaster with a flash hider and a folding stock more likely to cause mayhem than one without such features?
    Nothing. I don't wholeheartedly agree with the Assault Weapons ban. I don't think that every assault weapon exceeds what one needs for personal protection.
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    Re: Gun Control

    [QUOTE=repeter;1061327180]That's my mistake, I meant assault rifle. I actually haven't looked at Feinstein's proposal, but I'd agree that categorizing high-capacity handguns as assault weapons is stupid. Same goes for your rifle.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    Sawed off shotguns are highly ineffective, and thus pointless to ban as well.

    Yes. I don't think the average citizen should exceed that.
    assault rifles should be freely available to all citizens since

    1) they are of common usage

    2 are not unusually dangerous

    3 and have clear militia use

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    really? and where in those opinions did the court make that ruling
    Which part? The self-defense portion, or how some semi-automatic weapons don't fall under that category?
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Nothing. I don't wholeheartedly agree with the Assault Weapons ban. I don't think that every assault weapon exceeds what one needs for personal protection.
    tell me what sort of expertise you have that would allow you to decide what I need for self defense

    and tell me-if police agencies have determined that such rifles are ideal for CIVILIAN employees for use in defense against criminals in urban environments it sort of suggests that such rifles are equally useful for other civilians to use against criminals in the same environment under the same rules of engagement

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Which part? The self-defense portion, or how some semi-automatic weapons don't fall under that category?
    you clearly don't understand the holdings

    nor do you understand miller

    do you know what DICTA means

    were semi auto rifles at issue at Heller or McDonald

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
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    But for personal defense, you don't need to be lugging around an assault weapon, rocket launcher, or sawed-off shotgun. We shouldn't be able to easily overpower police; they should be at a distinct advantage, in terms of firepower.....
    Now let's think about that for a minute; If the cops have figured out that they need to be better armed it's because they know that the threat warrants that additional firepower. If the cops are feeling threatened enough to carry around a long gun in their trunk then doesn't that mean that ALL OF US are subject to that same threat? And if all of us are subject to that threat then shouldn't we all be armed to properly address it?

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