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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by BassDrop View Post
    So your saying a semi auto pistol with 8+ bullets is just as dangerous as a revolver with 6 bullets that takes longer to reload?
    you don't know much about weapons do you?

    I often carry a revolver despite owning dozens of semi autos

    why? revolvers do not jam

    here try this on for size


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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    we haven't seen much of you lately, what exactly is your game on guns.
    I like guns. I like shooting them. I prefer shooting rifles to pistols. But I don't think we have a constitutional right to all guns. Initially, the 2nd amendment undoubtedly had in mind resistance against a tyrannical government, and I think it's foolish to claim otherwise. But as the times have changed, the practical application of the 2nd amendment is defense of one's self and family, and this right is especially strong in one's home. I'm for having concealed firearms, I'd be fine with making it easier for people to get them, especially in places like Chicago, LA and NYC, because in those places, the criminals won't bother applying for a permit, and honest law-abiding citizens will be at a disadvantage.

    But for personal defense, you don't need to be lugging around an assault weapon, rocket launcher, or sawed-off shotgun. We shouldn't be able to easily overpower police; they should be at a distinct advantage, in terms of firepower.

    what exactly is the gun show loophole[/QUOTE]

    Like you said, private sellers at gun shows don't go through the same regulations as commercial sellers. I understand that if we prevent such transactions form occurring at gun shows, they can take place elsewhere, but in my opinion, we don't need to put up shows with signs inviting people to come get guns without going through proper checks.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    I like guns. I like shooting them. I prefer shooting rifles to pistols. But I don't think we have a constitutional right to all guns. Initially, the 2nd amendment undoubtedly had in mind resistance against a tyrannical government, and I think it's foolish to claim otherwise. But as the times have changed, the practical application of the 2nd amendment is defense of one's self and family, and this right is especially strong in one's home. I'm for having concealed firearms, I'd be fine with making it easier for people to get them, especially in places like Chicago, LA and NYC, because in those places, the criminals won't bother applying for a permit, and honest law-abiding citizens will be at a disadvantage.

    But for personal defense, you don't need to be lugging around an assault weapon, rocket launcher, or sawed-off shotgun. We shouldn't be able to easily overpower police; they should be at a distinct advantage, in terms of firepower.

    what exactly is the gun show loophole

    Like you said, private sellers at gun shows don't go through the same regulations as commercial sellers. I understand that if we prevent such transactions form occurring at gun shows, they can take place elsewhere, but in my opinion, we don't need to put up shows with signs inviting people to come get guns without going through proper checks.
    what's an assault weapon

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by BassDrop View Post
    So your saying a semi auto pistol with 8+ bullets is just as dangerous as a revolver with 6 bullets that takes longer to reload?
    lol Well yeah! More reliable and concealable, and more stopping power.

    Compare a 357 magnum to a 9mm
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what gaping stupidity. the Supreme court never said that honest people cannot buy semi autos

    and I certainly don't need someone who has no clue what a semi auto is telling me what I need.

    Tell me what weapons does the second amendment protect in your mind?
    Sorry, I should have been more specific. The Supreme Court has stated that the 2nd amendment covers weapons used for self-defense. Some semi-automatic weapons do not fall under that category.
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    Re: Gun Control

    in defense of one's home larger heavier weapons are more appropriate. when on the streets, a concealed weapon makes more sense unless there is all out insurrection. so when people whine that you don't need an "assault weapon" (whatever that is) they are clueless. first of all they aren't smart enough or able to predict what life/death fight you might be in or the environment. True, I don't "need" an AW (whatever that is) for some tasks. In other cases such as a riot where mobs are trying to loot and pillage, a rifle with a standard military capacity magazine (20-36 rounds) makes lots of sense

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    But for personal defense, you don't need to be lugging around an assault weapon, rocket launcher, or sawed-off shotgun.
    Assault rifle maybe (select fire, can burst or go full-auto), "assault weapon" is a meaningless legal term that used to include my little 22 rifle and by Diane Feinstein's standard now includes any handgun that holds > 10 rounds.

    Sawed off shotguns are highly ineffective, and thus pointless to ban as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    We shouldn't be able to easily overpower police; they should be at a distinct advantage, in terms of firepower.
    Sure we should, they only carry semi auto pistols, maybe a shotgun.
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what's an assault weapon
    An assault WEAPON is a gun that can take attachments such as a pistol grip, folding stock, flash suppressor, etc.

    That's pretty broad, and there are a ton of definitions that've flown around. What's your point?
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    in defense of one's home larger heavier weapons are more appropriate.
    I see where you're coming from. Without any firsthand experience, I'd imagine most criminals would be scared off if you pull the trigger on a pistol in their general direction.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    when on the streets, a concealed weapon makes more sense
    With you on that.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    unless there is all out insurrection. so when people whine that you don't need an "assault weapon" (whatever that is) they are clueless. first of all they aren't smart enough or able to predict what life/death fight you might be in or the environment. True, I don't "need" an AW (whatever that is) for some tasks. In other cases such as a riot where mobs are trying to loot and pillage, a rifle with a standard military capacity magazine (20-36 rounds) makes lots of sense
    I don't think that the average citizen should be armed to think about that. I can see a person having up to a shotgun in their house, but they shouldn't be armed to fight a war. We live in a stable country, with a decent police force. I don't foresee a nationwide fall to chaos in our future.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    An assault WEAPON is a gun that can take attachments such as a pistol grip, folding stock, flash suppressor, etc.

    That's pretty broad, and there are a ton of definitions that've flown around. What's your point?

    so what makes a Bushmaster with a flash hider and a folding stock more likely to cause mayhem than one without such features?

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