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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    If it's not my choice then it's the very definition of oppression.
    So you want to live in a society free from government completely? That type of society is even more dangerous and open to corruption then the society we currently have. Just look at societies that have existed like this in the past such as Japan and China, where warlords, not governments imposed on the people. You basically replace entities with individuals.. An entity can be controlled because it is not headed by one person, where as an individual can not. A government, paid for by the people to represent the people and carry out services for the people is currently the best solution we have.
    - There was never a good war, or a bad peace.
    - Idealistically, everything should work as you planed it to. Realistically, it depends on how idealistic you are as to the measure of success.
    - Better to be a pessimist before, and an optimist afterwords.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    So you want to live in a society free from government completely? That type of society is even more dangerous and open to corruption then the society we currently have. Just look at societies that have existed like this in the past such as Japan and China, where warlords, not governments imposed on the people.
    More obfuscation.

    Government has a purpose and is required for civil society but when the government is used as cudgel with which one faction of that society beats another into submission it's utility has come to an end.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    More obfuscation.

    Government has a purpose and is required for civil society but when the government is used as cudgel with which one faction of that society beats another into submission it's utility has come to an end.
    beats another into submission, is there some kind of ethnic cleansing going on that we don't know about? Is there a new Slobodan Milošević or Saddam Hussein here in the US?
    - There was never a good war, or a bad peace.
    - Idealistically, everything should work as you planed it to. Realistically, it depends on how idealistic you are as to the measure of success.
    - Better to be a pessimist before, and an optimist afterwords.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    beats another into submission, is there some kind of ethnic cleansing going on that we don't know about? Is there a new Slobodan Milošević or Saddam Hussein here in the US?
    Perhaps. We really don't know and I'd certainly prefer to exercise whatever options I have so as not to find out.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Perhaps. We really don't know and I'd certainly prefer to exercise whatever options I have so as not to find out.
    I would like to know what you believe is going on. The more you post, the more ridiculous you sound so I was wondering how much more ridiculous things you would say. I have found that many die hard gun owners hold some pretty ridiculous thoughts on why we need guns. I thought it would be important for everyone to see them.
    - There was never a good war, or a bad peace.
    - Idealistically, everything should work as you planed it to. Realistically, it depends on how idealistic you are as to the measure of success.
    - Better to be a pessimist before, and an optimist afterwords.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Have you seen these "melitia". I have seen videos and I doubt the could protect themselves from anything more than a pack of rabid squirrel. Most of them look like if they ran 100 feet they would die from a heart attack.

    American militia = grabbin a gun and firing at stuff while drinking a 12 pack.
    you continually demonstrate that you get your information from the MSM and Daily Kos.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    I would like to know what you believe is going on. The more you post, the more ridiculous you sound so I was wondering how much more ridiculous things you would say. I have found that many die hard gun owners hold some pretty ridiculous thoughts on why we need guns. I thought it would be important for everyone to see them.
    I have asked you several times what traumatic event has caused your virulent hatred of private gun ownership and obviously us law abiding gun owners. Why are you afraid to answer

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    And you are also acquainted with the limited use of our own force to fight them over there. The only reason they are effective is because we allow them to be.
    Let me know your opinion after the truck in front you explodes, we'll see how much you're "letting" things happen then.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    I would like to know what you believe is going on. The more you post, the more ridiculous you sound so I was wondering how much more ridiculous things you would say. I have found that many die hard gun owners hold some pretty ridiculous thoughts on why we need guns. I thought it would be important for everyone to see them.
    Brother, I deal with the government for a living and what you see as "ridiculous" I see as a trend.

    Let me give you an example. This past year Karen Hawkins (The director of the IRS Office of Professional Responsibility) implied that tax returns filed under Married Filing Joint status might subject a paid preparer to penalties for violating conflict of interest rules. That probably doesn't mean anything to you but the basic implication is that, from the government standpoint, married couples are presumed to have an adversarial relationship. I'd consider that to be a rather significant presumption because if married couples can be presumed to be adversaries (legally speaking) then unmarried couples must be even more adversarial. Taking that one step farther it would be an indication that, as a starting point, the government must consider each individual to have an adversarial relationship with every other individual.

    Now, when we look at other parts of the government we find that there is a common meme that people organized as a corporation have an adversarial relationship those who are not so organized. We see constant indications that management and labor are treated as having adversarial relationships and we see that gun owners are treated as having adversarial relationships with non gun owners.

    Our current administration has very deftly chopped up our population into various groups that all are "out to get" one another. The wealthy are trying to take advantage of the middle class; the whites are trying to take advantage of the blacks and the hispanics; the heterosexuals are trying to take advantage of the homosexuals; and so on and so forth. And with all this animosity somebody must be the "grand uniter"....so enters the government to "save" us all from ourselves.

    I find it to be a horrifically warped view of society yet so many Americans seem to be buying in to the ideology that it can no longer be ignored. That outlook used to be a fringe thing but it is moving more and more into the mainstream. It is the sowing of seeds of hatred and it is being perpetuated by a government which is gathering more and more dependents than it ever has before.


    There is an axiom in life that applies here......"The only difference between a paranoid and a prophet is how things turn out" so call me paranoid if you wish but I have given a good bit of consideration to my position and I'm quite comfortable with it.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Let me know your opinion after the truck in front you explodes, we'll see how much you're "letting" things happen then.
    I can only have an opinion if I have had a truck explode in front of me? Odd...

    But I can tell you as a fellow serviceman, I have served there.
    - There was never a good war, or a bad peace.
    - Idealistically, everything should work as you planed it to. Realistically, it depends on how idealistic you are as to the measure of success.
    - Better to be a pessimist before, and an optimist afterwords.

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