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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    That system has been in effect since the country was founded.
    Irrelevant to what I said.
    I applaud your ability to rrespond to posts that you cannot meaningfully counter with willful ignorance, irrelevance, or both.

    Thank you for so clearly indicating there's no need for me, or anyone else, to waste any more time on you.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by H. Lee White View Post
    Ah - more willfull ignorance on your part.
    Show me a militia owned F-22, or even better A-10.. Show me a militia owned Abrams tank......
    - There was never a good war, or a bad peace.
    - Idealistically, everything should work as you planed it to. Realistically, it depends on how idealistic you are as to the measure of success.
    - Better to be a pessimist before, and an optimist afterwords.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Like I said, the precedent is there, ignore it at your own peril.
    What peril is this?
    - There was never a good war, or a bad peace.
    - Idealistically, everything should work as you planed it to. Realistically, it depends on how idealistic you are as to the measure of success.
    - Better to be a pessimist before, and an optimist afterwords.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    That's my queue:


    In order to be a protected, a weapon must be "in common use at the time", and may not be "dangerous and unusual". If a given weapon fails one or both of these qualifications, it is not protected for civilian ownership. So, let's go down the list:
    • Pistol: In common use at the time? Yes. Is dangerous and unusual? No.
    • Rifle: In common use at the time? Yes. Is dangerous and unusual? No.
    • Automatic rifle: In common use at the time? Yes. Is dangerous and unusual? No.
    • Hand grenade: In common use at the time? Yes. Is dangerous and unusual? Yes.
    • Grenade launcher: In common use at the time? Yes. Is dangerous and unusual? Yes.
    • Rocket launcher: In common use at the time? Yes. Is dangerous and unusual? Yes.
    • Patriot missile battery: In common use at the time? No. Is dangerous and unusual? Yes.
    • Nuclear warheads: In common use at the time? No. Is dangerous and unusual? Yes.


    • Crack Cocaine: In common use at the time: No. Is dangerous and unusual: Yes.
    • Methamphetamine: In common use at the time: No. Is dangerous and unusual: Yes.
    • Meth-lab: In common use at the time: No. Is dangerous and unusual: Yes.
    • Nuclear weapon: In common use at the time: No. Is dangerous and unusual: Yes.




    • ICBMs: In common use at the time? No. Is dangerous and unusual? Yes.



    Tanks are not weapons. Tanks are vehicles weapons can be mounted on, but anyone with enough money to buy one can own a tank. That does not mean you can have a functioning cannon, 50cal machine gun, 2 saw machine guns, or grenades...it means you can have the tank and the tank only. You can own a black hawk helicopter, also...doesn't mean you can have the twin mini-guns.

    Concealed carry in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Criminals generally want easy targets. Having a gun makes you a harder target. When you're in a population which carries, you are safer even if you don't carry a gun yourself, because a criminal has no way of knowing if you're carrying concealed or not and doesn't want to risk finding out the hard way.

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    Here we had to link to this law yeat again. We have to keep repeating ourselves, so rather than write it out manually over and over and over, a lot of us just save it to a word doc.
    You keep copying and pasting the same post or portions of posts over and over again, its nothing better than spam. And what's worse is that its affecting your own ability to think as well, instead of addressing points as the questions arise you just copy and paste the same answer again. I understand that you feel the same answer works well in so many occasions, but you can't expect people to take your posts seriously if you aren't even writing them yourself it doesn't exactly show you understand your own argument if you don't even make it.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    What peril is this?
    I suppose that "peril" is kind of subjective.

    Where I would find it to be a great infringement on my liberty to be subjected to a life where the government is the primary provider of all that I require some folks would seem to see that as a utopia. They might get a little bit upset when the day comes that government can no longer satisfy their needs but, being the sheep that they are, I'm sure they would adapt.

    Personally, I LIKE struggle. I like using my ingenuity to overcome adversity. I sincerely believe that it makes me a stronger person and, conversely, I also believe that taking the consequences out of life makes me weaker.

    Oh, one other thing I totally, wholeheartedly and vehemently resent anyone who tries to take that away from me in the interests of making their own existence "better" and if they choose to use the force of government to do that then I consider that to be a hostile act.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Oh, one other thing I totally, wholeheartedly and vehemently resent anyone who tries to take that away from me in the interests of making their own existence "better" and if they choose to use the force of government to do that then I consider that to be a hostile act.
    Oh - oh - oh -- but that's not "oppression".

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I suppose that "peril" is kind of subjective.

    Where I would find it to be a great infringement on my liberty to be subjected to a life where the government is the primary provider of all that I require some folks would seem to see that as a utopia. They might get a little bit upset when the day comes that government can no longer satisfy their needs but, being the sheep that they are, I'm sure they would adapt.

    Personally, I LIKE struggle. I like using my ingenuity to overcome adversity. I sincerely believe that it makes me a stronger person and, conversely, I also believe that taking the consequences out of life makes me weaker.

    Oh, one other thing I totally, wholeheartedly and vehemently resent anyone who tries to take that away from me in the interests of making their own existence "better" and if they choose to use the force of government to do that then I consider that to be a hostile act.
    So paying for a woman's gynecology exam is infringing on your liberty and is indicative of a government that is oppressing its people?
    - There was never a good war, or a bad peace.
    - Idealistically, everything should work as you planed it to. Realistically, it depends on how idealistic you are as to the measure of success.
    - Better to be a pessimist before, and an optimist afterwords.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    So paying for a woman's gynecology exam is infringing on your liberty and is indicative of a government that is oppressing its people?
    If it's not my choice then it's the very definition of oppression.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    If it's not my choice then it's the very definition of oppression.
    You are forced top pay for goods and services you do not receive.
    -That- is involuntary servitude.
    "Oppression" is a broad term; it is impossible to argue that involuntary servitude does not fall under it.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by H. Lee White View Post
    You are forced top pay for goods and services you do not receive.
    -That- is involuntary servitude.
    "Oppression" is a broad term; it is impossible to argue that involuntary servitude does not fall under it.
    Yet so many in this nation, including "dear leader", feel that not only is it justified but it's our duty. There is NOTHING in this world more dangerous than a tyrant who seeks to expand his power based on what he considers to be "best" for the masses.

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