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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Is owning a weapon for you a constitutional right and an indication of a free society?
    Absolutely. And it doesn't have to be some fancy 'military style' rifle covered in all sorts of hoah.

    Even just a modest 5-shot small caliber revolver is a symbol of American liberty and a free society. Just having one on your person is a badge of honor.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Absolutely. And it doesn't have to be some fancy 'military style' rifle covered in all sorts of hoah.

    Even just a modest 5-shot small caliber revolver is a symbol of American liberty and a free society. Just having one on your person is a badge of honor.
    According to the poster I directed my comments to, he believe these weapons are needed to protect himself against the US military and the government. If that is the case, then the society he thinks he is living in is not a free society, it is a dictatorship.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    According to the poster I directed my comments to, he believe these weapons are needed to protect himself against the US military and the government. If that is the case, then the society he thinks he is living in is not a free society, it is a dictatorship.
    Or, perhaps, that it's in danger of heading in that direction and it might be a good idea to head the trend off before it goes much farther.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Or, perhaps, that it's in danger of heading in that direction and it might be a good idea to head the trend off before it goes much farther.
    you know the old story about boiling a frog don't you?

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Or, perhaps, that it's in danger of heading in that direction and it might be a good idea to head the trend off before it goes much farther.
    In danger of heading in that direction, what indications support this? Or perhaps is it only supported in the minds of the overly paranoid?
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you know the old story about boiling a frog don't you?
    Definitely!

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    According to the poster I directed my comments to, he believe these weapons are needed to protect himself against the US military and the government. If that is the case, then the society he thinks he is living in is not a free society, it is a dictatorship.
    Dictatorship is a kind of government, not a kind of society. The society is higher than the government it's sent into place. The society needs to remain stronger than the government so that the government doesn't turn against it's master and oppress the society. Should it try, the society removes the government and replaces it.

    Owning a gun is a mark of being a member of that society, not a member of the government.

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    Re: Gun Control

    When I was a kid, a local judge got in all sorts of hot water after he shot a cop. Ironically, it wasn't the fact he shot a cop that got him in trouble but the appearance of impropriety for a Judge to be fraternizing with a cop who appeared in his Court. The old Judge was unfamiliar with 9mm's as they were becoming more frequent in his cases and wanted to learn about them and shoot one and the cop was trying to teach him when he got winged by the Judge. Maybe Congress should be required to go out and shoot a gun before they can decide if it should be banned (mainly I just wanted to tell my Judge story but that last part is just my tie-in to the thread)

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Dictatorship is a kind of government, not a kind of society. The society is higher than the government it's sent into place. The society needs to remain stronger than the government so that the government doesn't turn against it's master and oppress the society. Should it try, the society removes the government and replaces it.
    I don't have any idea what your talking about..... You refer to dictatorship as a type of government which is mostly correct, and not a kind of society. Not really sure where the confusion occurred after reading my post but you are pretty much saying exactly what he was saying. That the public must protect itself from the government and if the government gets out of line, it needs to have the ability to overthrow it. A society in fear of the government that feels it has to be armed to fight against it, is not a free society. That was my point.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    In danger of heading in that direction, what indications support this? Or perhaps is it only supported in the minds of the overly paranoid?
    Not at all.

    Over the past several years there has been an absolutely massive expansion of the federal government and the trend has definitely been continuing in that direction. We already have a nation that has become largely reliant on the government for retirement funding and old age medical care. The scope of Obamacare is expanding that dependency as is the treatment of "too big to fail" institutions. We are looking at the very realistic prospect of the nationalization of many core industries and the further prospect of effectively disarming the general public. More than that we are moving away from the principles of Republican governance and toward a direct Democracy which would be HIGHLY likely to result in some form of dictatorship in relatively short order.

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