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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    As someone who deals with the writing of legislation on a weekly basis, loopholes do not happen by accident. It was intended to do all the things it actually does and one of which is to provide a way for people to buy weapons without background check.
    uh wrong, many congress members who voted to impose such duties on those required to keep a log of all firearms they receive and transfer in commerce decided not to impose those requirements on those not so required because they understood it could not be enforced

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    why are you calling it a loophole-have you been reading the lies of the anti gunners? a loophole suggests someway of evading a uniform law. The law was never intended to cover those who do not have a legal duty to maintain log books of all weapons received and sold in the course of business
    Good point. I should not adopt the language of the hoplophobes.

    And none of them have addressed the issue I raised. Would it be possible to enact their universal background check scheme without a federal gun registry?

    Their silence is very telling indeed.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Good point. I should not adopt the language of the hoplophobes.

    And none of them have addressed the issue I raised. Would it be possible to enact their universal background check scheme without a federal gun registry?

    Their silence is very telling indeed.
    its so obvious to us who understand the issue how completely dishonest the ARC is on these topics

    they refuse to state their real goals because it would alarm lots of people who are LIVs or are not really rigorous thinkers. Their goal is to give the government (their wellspring) and criminals (people they often identify with) a complete monopoly on firearms

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh wrong, many congress members who voted to impose such duties on those required to keep a log of all firearms they receive and transfer in commerce decided not to impose those requirements on those not so required because they understood it could not be enforced
    And the evidence for this statement?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    its so obvious to us who understand the issue how completely dishonest the ARC is on these topics

    they refuse to state their real goals because it would alarm lots of people who are LIVs or are not really rigorous thinkers. Their goal is to give the government (their wellspring) and criminals (people they often identify with) a complete monopoly on firearms
    It is far easier for some to pretend that you are battling vicious demons who would destroy your rights and those of Americans rather than simply deal with the reality of a persons position.

    That is called battling a strawman of their own creation.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And the evidence for this statement?
    Well unlike some, I was actually watching the discussion on cable as it happened. I also met with a couple congressional leaders on tis matter as well

    so tell me Haymarket, why do you think the brady supporters did not extend the law to private sellers

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It is far easier for some to pretend that you are battling vicious demons who would destroy your rights and those of Americans rather than simply deal with the reality of a persons position.

    That is called battling a strawman of their own creation.

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    we have constantly demonstrated the plethora of lies spewed by both ARC posters on this board and the politicians they support such as Bloomberg and DIFI

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Well unlike some, I was actually watching the discussion on cable as it happened. I also met with a couple congressional leaders on tis matter as well

    so tell me Haymarket, why do you think the brady supporters did not extend the law to private sellers
    So you have no verifiable evidence to present.

    Thank you for clarifying that.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    we have constantly demonstrated the plethora of lies spewed by both ARC posters on this board and the politicians they support such as Bloomberg and DIFI
    I did not realize that Bloomberg was a member here and posted.

    As for you demonstrating lies - you have repeatedly and frequently stated that i do not state my position. I have repeatedly and frequently stated my position on the Second Amendment.

    Why do you keep persisting in the very word you used - LIES - about that?

    I realize its easier to battle a cartoon strawman of your own creation than it is to deal with the subtle and complex intracies of a real person with a real position that defies traditional stereotyping. But that indeed is your challenge.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So you have no verifiable evidence to present.

    Thank you for clarifying that.

    Actually you could go back and read all of that -its called the legislative history-as well as the news reports that were written about the bill's passage

    I know what the facts are, I really don't care if you were not aware of the facts surrounding the debate over the background check

    and most of the people who actually understand this issue and make it a priority to understand the issue before arguing about it know I am correct

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