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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Your point?
    Is obvious, injury is preferable to death!
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Is obvious, injury is preferable to death!
    Indeed, now go on out there and convince every criminal to give up their guns. Once you've accomplished that, you'll have do problem getting the law abiding to disarm.
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Check this out. If we put a man on the moon, do you guys suppose we could get a way we could download a "Where's my Roscoe" app on our phone that would tell us where our guns are after some criminal element comes and steals them? That worries me the most. I'm not worried about me ever going to the dark side with my guns. But I do worry about them falling into the wrong hands.

    Could a tracking device be embedded to where it could not be altered without totally destroying the gun?

    I had my house robbed in Texas once. Wayyyy out in the country. Sticks. Boondocks. Now some criminal/burglar and God knows what else, has a gun. Mine.

    I wish I could track it. Find him/her. And then I wish there were laws in place to send them straight to the gas chamber. If he sold the gun, he gets the gas and the buyer gets the needle.

    That would take a lot of guns outta the criminal elements. Zero tolerance. You get caught doing a gun crime, or a felon with a gun, to the gallows. No parole, no probation, no life. Just GONE. Buh-bye.

    We can dream, can't we?
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    Indeed, now go on out there and convince every criminal to give up their guns. Once you've accomplished that, you'll have do problem getting the law abiding to disarm.
    We need to collect criminals instead. Don't wait for 'em to give up the guns.

    We need a rightous tsunami to sweep across our land and take all the scurge and evil from our shores into the bowels of the ocean.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Is obvious, injury is preferable to death!
    You seem to be focused upon the lethality of the attacks, not that they happened, not how to prevent them from happening again.

    Gun control is the topic at hand.

    Would gun control have stopped the attack from happening, NO.

    Would gun control have reduced the lethality of the attacks, Undetermined, but likely not as it is not terribly difficult to get guns illegally. In the case of Columbine, some of the guns used were purchased illegally.

    Even without the guns, there is the possibility that other, more lethal means would of been employed. I have shown you that, in fact, without using a gun at all, it could of been much much worse.

    So you cannot empirically state that gun control, or even the total elimination of guns, would of either stopped the attacks or reduced the level of violence and death.

    I can, without any doubt, state that a single armed determined adult could of stopped or minimized every one of these kinds of attacks and that if there were more than one armed determined adult, the chances of stopping or minimizing such attacks goes up exponentially. I challenge you, or anyone for that matter, to disprove those statements.

    I will also state, clearly and emphatically that gun control laws have prevented responsible adults from being armed and stopping/minimizing these kinds of attacks. Go ahead and try to disprove that also.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    We need to collect criminals instead. Don't wait for 'em to give up the guns.

    We need a rightous tsunami to sweep across our land and take all the scurge and evil from our shores into the bowels of the ocean.
    I consider crime the result of economic, systemic or prohibitive causes that cannot be eliminated entirely. We could kill them all today, and tomorrow more people would turn to crime.
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Gun Control

    It would depend on exactly how restrictive the proposed measures would be on law abiding citizens and how likely they were to save lives. If it was fairly innocuous, and showed the potential to save lives, then I'd probably support it.

    Something like instant background checks meet that criteria. They're quick and painless to any law-abiding citizen looking to buy a gun, and they make it at least somewhat harder for criminals to acquire guns.

    The problem with most of the suggestions I've heard since the shooting in Connecticut is that they wouldn't be all that effective in saving lives, and they would impact the ability of citizens to own guns too much.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    Indeed, now go on out there and convince every criminal to give up their guns. Once you've accomplished that, you'll have do problem getting the law abiding to disarm.

    Banning guns in this country will only come about if more reasonable measures are not enacted to reduce the number of massacres in this country.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Check this out. If we put a man on the moon, do you guys suppose we could get a way we could download a "Where's my Roscoe" app on our phone that would tell us where our guns are after some criminal element comes and steals them? That worries me the most. I'm not worried about me ever going to the dark side with my guns. But I do worry about them falling into the wrong hands.

    Could a tracking device be embedded to where it could not be altered without totally destroying the gun?

    I had my house robbed in Texas once. Wayyyy out in the country. Sticks. Boondocks. Now some criminal/burglar and God knows what else, has a gun. Mine.

    I wish I could track it. Find him/her. And then I wish there were laws in place to send them straight to the gas chamber. If he sold the gun, he gets the gas and the buyer gets the needle.

    That would take a lot of guns outta the criminal elements. Zero tolerance. You get caught doing a gun crime, or a felon with a gun, to the gallows. No parole, no probation, no life. Just GONE. Buh-bye.

    We can dream, can't we?
    Technology has been developed, where soon, people can make an innumerable amount of firearms (including full automatics) in their homes, without notice from law enforcement officials.
    Gun control is going to be largely and completely ineffective in the near to medium term.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Technology has been developed, where soon, people can make an innumerable amount of firearms (including full automatics) in their homes, without notice from law enforcement officials.
    Gun control is going to be largely and completely ineffective in the near to medium term.
    Cant wait for every mall to have a automated forging booth that can make thousands of different things from raw materials at cost + a bit of a fee.
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