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    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    So you would support the idea of background checks for transfers between family members. Who would know whether or not a check was actually done if someone sells a firearm to his brother?
    We could use the way that automobile transactions are handled between family members as a guide. This is NOT reinventing the wheel.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    We could use the way that automobile transactions are handled between family members as a guide. This is NOT reinventing the wheel.
    But there are no background checks involved when someone sells a car to a family member. How would the system you are proposing actually operate? Let's say I want to give a gun to my brother. What would be required?

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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    We could use the way that automobile transactions are handled between family members as a guide. This is NOT reinventing the wheel.
    Automobile registration controls a state issued privilege, driving on public roadways. Gun registration is a state attempt to control/limit a Constitutional right, imposing fees for keeping rights is, in fact, infringement, as the left constantly points out with its complaints about some state's voter ID laws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    But there are no background checks involved when someone sells a car to a family member.
    Who said there was?

    This article will help you.

    Gun Shows - The Purported Gun Show Loophole and State-by-State Regulation of Gun SHows

    A total of 11 states require background checks for at least some gun purchases at gun shows. Seven of those states require background checks for all gun purchases, while four states require background checks for only handgun purchases.

    The seven states requiring background checks for all purchases include:

    California
    Colorado
    Connecticut
    Illinois
    New York
    Oregon
    Rhode Island
    The four states requiring background checks for only handgun purchases include:

    Hawaii
    Maryland
    New Jersey
    Pennsylvania
    If you have technical questions about the mechanics of such a procedure, you may want to begin with the states which already require this and currently have a system in place and operating.
    Last edited by haymarket; 12-29-12 at 09:13 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Who said there was?
    Nobody, as far as I know. But if you are suggesting that gun transfers be handled similarly to auto transfers, you're going to have to tell us how the system would be modified to include background checks. So, once again, if I want to give my brother a firearm as a present, what process would have to be followed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Automobile registration controls a state issued privilege, driving on public roadways. Gun registration is a state attempt to control/limit a Constitutional right, imposing fees for keeping rights is, in fact, infringement, as the left constantly points out with its complaints about some state's voter ID laws.
    So a tax on a firearm or bullets is unconstitutional?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Nobody, as far as I know. But if you are suggesting that gun transfers be handled similarly to auto transfers, you're going to have to tell us how the system would be modified to include background checks. So, once again, if I want to give my brother a firearm as a present, what process would have to be followed?
    se my additional info in the post above which answers your queries.

    as to gifts, perhaps this will help

    http://www.nssfblog.com/giving-a-fir...ers-from-nssf/

    or this

    http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/i.../t-583418.html

    and this was answered by a person claiming some impressive credentials

    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...7141335AArVJiA
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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So a tax on a firearm or bullets is unconstitutional?
    No, iff that tax is a normal sales tax, imposed upon all similar retail sales, and not specifically targetted to guns/ammo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    No, iff that tax is a normal sales tax, imposed upon all similar retail sales, and not specifically targetted to guns/ammo.
    is that your view or is that an official binding legal ruling held across the land?

    this article seems to take a very different view and shows no evidence of the supposed legal obstacle you refer to

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...n_arsenal.html
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    se my additional info in the post above which answers your queries.

    as to gifts, perhaps this will help

    Anything I need to do when given a gun as a gift? - THR
    That post has no answers at all, other than your suggestion that I research various state laws. Thanks for nothing.

    If you are proposing universal background checks, you can at least have the decency to explain how your proposed system would work.

    I'm just sayin'. The fact that you are being evasive sends up all sorts of red flags about your proposal.

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