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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You probably could have confirmed that at a gun show. You've got nothing to teach anyone here, as usual.
    You cannot teach somebody whose mind is a closed off wall. Thank you for confirming that.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    If they truly believed eliminating guns would save the lives of our children, then perhaps their heart is in the right place as even the most ardent gun supporter loves his/her children more.

    But, even IF their heart is in the right place, their head is squarely up their ass because guns are here and guns are going to stay here. That's a simple fact. A minute spent fantasizing about their eradication is a minute wasted.

    The focus should be on the direction society is taking in terms of senseless violence and the causes that warp brains that has brought us here.


    Get rid of guns and evil will use a knife. Get rid of knives, evil will use his fist.

    I would venture to say that more people are killed in America using fists than semi-automatic assault weapons. Any takers?


    I just don't see a lot of wacko pussies taking out crowds of people with their fists. Just sayin'.........
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So I do have to go through a background check when I purchase a gun at a gun show?
    depends on the state and the show

    but that is true about sales any place else

    FFLs have to conduct BGC

    private citizens do not under FEDERAL Law

    some states only require private sellers at GUNSHOWS to go through a dealer to conduct a sale. they don't have to in other areas

    I think one or two states ban private sales. of course that is as effective as banning drug deals

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    I would venture to say that more people are killed in America using fists than semi-automatic assault weapons. Any takers?
    Certianly, more people are killed with bladed/blunt weapons.
    The uniform crime reports have this information...

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I just don't see a lot of wacko pussies taking out crowds of people with their fists. Just sayin'.........
    nah that would be tough guys. but his point is correct. physical assaults with hands and feet kill more people than criminals using "Semi automatic assault weapons" Whatever those may be

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    depends on the state and the show

    but that is true about sales any place else

    FFLs have to conduct BGC

    private citizens do not under FEDERAL Law

    some states only require private sellers at GUNSHOWS to go through a dealer to conduct a sale. they don't have to in other areas

    I think one or two states ban private sales. of course that is as effective as banning drug deals
    Thank you for confirming that there is indeed a gun show loophole where a person can avoid a background check but still buy a firearm.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    well I always sell guns to people i know have CCWs and that I know don't have records (like lawyers and cops). If i don't have anyone interested in a gun I want to get rid of, I pay my dealer a 50 dollar commission he gets for selling it On his books for that reason

    but If I had a record and had some guns I would only be selling the guns on the down low to people buying on the down low and that is what happens most of the time with prohibited persons. there are plenty of ways to bust lots of the illegal acquisitions of guns

    did YOU know that if you buy more than ONE handgun in 5 business days or less from the same dealer, the dealer has to report that to the ATF. now I have bought 2 guns many times from the same dealer on the same day and I have NEVER had the ATF inquire. Probably because they know I am a well known competitive shooter etc. But I know where some clown bought 20 Jennings at one time (these are the guns that should come with a ski mask or half a pair of panty hose) and the ATF did not look into it UNTIL half the guns ended up in NYC a few months later

    Straw purchases-easy to bust. You buy a gun for your boyfriend who has a record a mile long and he gets busted, the gun will come back to you. some tough questions will follow

    there are plenty of ways to really put a dent in crooks getting guns
    Right on. If more people were as conscientious as you are TD, it wouldn't be an issue.

    But, I do think we can, and should, do more on unregulated gun commerce. And actually enforce harsh penalties on the registered owners or straw buyers of any guns involved in crimes whether they were a part of the crime or not.

    I could live with that. Then we gotta find a way to lock up the looney birds.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Thank you for confirming that there is indeed a gun show loophole where a person can avoid a background check but still buy a firearm.
    that is false. the laws are the same under federal law for gun shows as they are for those sellers in any other venue

    for most of our history no one had to undergo a background check. congress decided to change that only for licensed dealers

    you operate under the false premise that background checks are the norm

    they were not of over 200 years and never have been for private sellers

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I just don't see a lot of wacko pussies taking out crowds of people with their fists. Just sayin'.........
    I agree that mass killings surely bring more media coverage.

    This week, Chicago just set a new record of 500 murders in their fair city this year. Five Hundred.

    It gets about as much total coverage as Sandy Hook does in 20 minutes.

    And, who woulda thunk, that violent crime rates have actually gone down, what with all the people getting blown away here and there. But they have, I'm told.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Right on. If more people were as conscientious as you are TD, it wouldn't be an issue.

    But, I do think we can, and should, do more on unregulated gun commerce. And actually enforce harsh penalties on the registered owners or straw buyers of any guns involved in crimes whether they were a part of the crime or not.

    I could live with that. Then we gotta find a way to lock up the looney birds.
    so if someone breaks into my alarmed home and steals a gun in the locked case and then uses a torch to cut the locks off and then shoots someone I should be prosecuted?

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