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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I agree, hence my original statement. Unless there was concrete evidence that lives would be saved and that the restrictions were reasonable I would support it. If they wanted to ban guns or try and remove a law abiding citizen's legal Constitutional right to own a gun then they better amend the Constitution first.
    one HOnest gun hater was a guy named Major Owen who tried to repeal the second amendment. He was one of the few I found honest. THe ones who claimed to support the second amendment while pretending it did not prevent all the anti gun schemes they pushed (Ted Kennedy for example) are turds in my opinion and dishonest

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It's a straightforward statement. You're making excuses in advance. Can you address that.
    stop fibbing, I am saying I don't know what the court will be like : it was a 5-4 decision 5 years ago. If Scalia and Kennedy were to retire or die and we get two more Sotomayors who have proven lock step allegiance to Obama who knows what will happen

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    stop fibbing, I am saying I don't know what the court will be like : it was a 5-4 decision 5 years ago. If Scalia and Kennedy were to retire or die and we get two more Sotomayors who have proven lock step allegiance to Obama who knows what will happen
    And I say clearly that is excuse making. Plain and simple.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I never trusted Kagan's claims and who knows who will be on the court by then. I know one thing-GOP appointees are not slaves to the party that appointed them but Obama and Clinton's appointees are pretty much in the box for dem policies



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    Re: Gun Control

    seriously? there are seriously people who believe that outlawing guns will solve our violence problems? how did that work with our alcohol problem? drug problems? o thats right, it made things exponentially worse. making things illegal only empowers those who are determined to live outside the law. Get it through your heads. If an individual wishes to do harm to another, they will find a way gun or not. the kind of people who believe gun-control will fix anything are the very people who are at the root of all our problems. Follow the constitution, trust it, believe in it and see where it can take us. We should be living at the top of the world in all aspects, because of our constitution, yet people believe that infringing on our constitutional rights is in someway an answer, when in fact, it is the root of our problems. The founders had it right, trust that.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I tried to find a point to your post and I cannot. we are talking about hysterical democrats trying to ban weapons that are

    1) in common use

    2) not any more dangerous than other weapons

    in other words, semi automatic rifles meet the Heller test for protection
    And I was talking about hysterical right wingers who insist ANY restriction is an infringement and thus unconstitutional.

    I wouldn't be so sure ARs and AKs meet the Heller 'test'. The Supreme Court concentrated on self defense in one's home and the Right to Bear is an individual one, no real need to meet some militia requirement. The issue hinges on what is considered a home defense weapon. Much can be made of home defense ARs out in the country but the vast majority of citizens live damn near shoulder to shoulder.

    My gut says no bans on ARs or AKs but mag cap at 20 or below, more backround checks, hopefully more money spent on mental health and school security.

    But the 2nd Amendment can and is legally 'infringed' all with the blessing of the 'intellectual scholar' of the right wing in the Supreme Court.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    And I was talking about hysterical right wingers who insist ANY restriction is an infringement and thus unconstitutional.

    I wouldn't be so sure ARs and AKs meet the Heller 'test'. The Supreme Court concentrated on self defense in one's home and the Right to Bear is an individual one, no real need to meet some militia requirement. The issue hinges on what is considered a home defense weapon. Much can be made of home defense ARs out in the country but the vast majority of citizens live damn near shoulder to shoulder.

    My gut says no bans on ARs or AKs but mag cap at 20 or below, more backround checks, hopefully more money spent on mental health and school security.

    But the 2nd Amendment can and is legally 'infringed' all with the blessing of the 'intellectual scholar' of the right wing in the Supreme Court.
    any restriction that is imposed as feel good measures or worse-designed to harass people while pretending to be a crime control measure is unconstitutional

    and since the militia requirement was never condition precedent for the right, your qualifiers have no merit

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    And I was talking about hysterical right wingers who insist ANY restriction is an infringement and thus unconstitutional.
    Please provide quotes to that effect.

    I wouldn't be so sure ARs and AKs meet the Heller 'test'. The Supreme Court concentrated on self defense in one's home and the Right to Bear is an individual one, no real need to meet some militia requirement. The issue hinges on what is considered a home defense weapon. Much can be made of home defense ARs out in the country but the vast majority of citizens live damn near shoulder to shoulder.
    False.
    Heller directly, and in context, references Miller, which requires that for a weapon to be protected under the 2nd it must be suitable for service in the militia. There is no better example of this sort of weapon on the civilian market than the AR-15.
    Heller then expands on that language regarding weapons for self-defense.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Gun control would only lead to black markets, same thing that happened with marijuana. If everyone had a gun, no one would want to rob or murder each other. In Switzerland, 97% of the population is armed yet they have one of the lowest crime rates in the world.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Nordenkalt444 View Post
    Gun control would only lead to black markets, same thing that happened with marijuana. If everyone had a gun, no one would want to rob or murder each other. In Switzerland, 97% of the population is armed yet they have one of the lowest crime rates in the world.
    You want a system like Switzerland's, where government service is mandatory of each of those citizens with guns?
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