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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    So now that you have explained to us what the federal government MAY do, what do you suggest it SHOULD do?
    pray there are not more mass killings of the innocents.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    pray there are not more mass killings of the innocents.
    So you only care about controlling the carnage, not at stopping the violence entirely?
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    So you only care about controlling the carnage, not at stopping the violence entirely?
    Yeah - I am only into carnage control. In fact, here in Michigan I am President of the Carnage Control Commission & Cooperative.

    Why would I want to stop violence?
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    pray there are not more mass killings of the innocents.
    So you have wasted all this effort to convince us of what the federal government MAY do, but in the end you don't really want it to do anything at all? If you are not for some sort of change, why bother even discussing the issue?

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    So you have wasted all this effort to convince us of what the federal government MAY do, but in the end you don't really want it to do anything at all? If you are not for some sort of change, why bother even discussing the issue?
    I see through your false expression of astonishment.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    And the Supreme Court has ruled restrictions are Constitutional, the 2nd Amendment is not an unlimited right, the mentally ill and felons are barred from exercising the 2nd A WITHOUT being enumerated in the 2nd A.
    actually the supreme court merely stated that some restrictions may be upheld

    since those were not in front of the court those comments are dicta.

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    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    And what conservatives/libertarians/gun lovers seem to not understand/accept is change.
    Everything changes, the year is 2012 not 1612.
    The wild west is no more, the "king of the hill" is no more.
    Man is becoming , slowly, more and more social - I think this is where the tea baggers have a problem.
    And, YES, even the definition of words change.
    Pick up a dictionary from the 1600s.....can't find one....the 1700s ....probably the first one.
    Compare that to one designed in the 2000s, again, if there is one.
    To do this, one would have to visit the NYC public library and do some serious digging.
    Design, an interesting word...
    Definition, another word of interest..
    INFRINGE : to break
    to encroach
    There is a difference between the two.
    I can see and accept the Constitution framers use of "infringe" . In their time, no government was 100% or even close to being trustworthy..
    Today, things are different..
    translation-progressives don't like conservative gun owners and use gun control schemes as a means to harass and hassle conservative gun owners

    anti gun extremists understand that the constitution-as written and intended-provides a massive roadblock to the anti gun schemes progressives want to impose so therefore progressives and other gun haters lie about what the second amendment means

    and to claim the government is more trustworthy today
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post


    I think this clears a lot of things out.
    my local news-I saw this. I used to do this slot in a different form many many years ago as a guest

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    Quote Originally Posted by H. Lee White View Post
    I see through your false expression of astonishment.
    Actually, it's not false astonishment. I don't understand why he would spend so much time trying to convince us what the government MAY do, but be completely indifferent to whether it actually does anything.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    actually the supreme court merely stated that some restrictions may be upheld

    since those were not in front of the court those comments are dicta.
    When the Justice called the intellectual anchor of the conservative side of the Supreme Court says the 2nd Amendment is not unlimited that means something. To use your own description of 'restriction equals infringement' then as far as the Supreme Court is concerned the Right to Keep and Bear Arms can be infringed.

    As mentioned many times before nowhere in the Constitution does it state the 2nd amendment doesn't apply to the mentally ill or felons. The 'show me where in the Constitution' crowd can't be happy.

    Oh the idea of just how the 2nd Amendment is applied is very much part and parcel of the Heller Decision. The Right of self defense in the home was upheld, but not the right of unlimited carry.

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