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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    I wanna see him claim that a hurdle or three in a runners run path doesn't hinder. Bruise is a good one above ^. Bruising someone doesn't stop them but it hinders them. Standing in someones way doesn't stop them from going around you but it hinders them.
    Any precondition laid upon the exercise of a right not inherent to same is an infringement.
    Haymarket argues his intelledctually dishonest definition of infringement because it is the only way he has anything to stand on.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by H. Lee White View Post
    Any precondition laid upon the exercise of a right not inherent to same is an infringement.
    Haymarket argues his intelledctually dishonest definition of infringement because it is the only way he has anything to stand on.
    :dunnio:
    You may want to use spell check when you butcher a word like INTELLEDCTUALLY (sic) when throwing stones at others cognitive abilities. It almost as bad as butchering the word ILLITERATE or MISSPELLED.

    You should read this

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Originalism

    You will discover that ORIGINALISM, or trying to find out the original meaning of the Constitution when written, is hardly the equal of employing intellectually dishonest tactics.

    In the context of United States constitutional interpretation, originalism is a principle of interpretation that tries to discover the original meaning or intent of the constitution.[1] It is based on the principle that the judiciary is not supposed to create, amend or repeal laws (which is the realm of the legislative branch) but only to uphold them.[1] The term originated in the 1980s [2] but the concept is a formalist theory of law and a corollary of textualism.
    Today, originalism is popular among political conservatives in the U.S., and is most prominently associated with Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas and Robert Bork. However, some liberals, such as Justice Hugo Black and Akhil Amar, have also subscribed to the theory.[3]
    As for the definition - it is not mine. It is from Webster's Dictionary 1828 edition. That sort of research is part of the originalist approach favored by serious people - often conservatives.
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    Re: Gun Control

    restrictions on the right to keep and bear arms are infringements on the right

    nothing more, nothing less

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    Re: Gun Control

    And the Supreme Court has ruled restrictions are Constitutional, the 2nd Amendment is not an unlimited right, the mentally ill and felons are barred from exercising the 2nd A WITHOUT being enumerated in the 2nd A.

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    Re: Gun Control

    And what conservatives/libertarians/gun lovers seem to not understand/accept is change.
    Everything changes, the year is 2012 not 1612.
    The wild west is no more, the "king of the hill" is no more.
    Man is becoming , slowly, more and more social - I think this is where the tea baggers have a problem.
    And, YES, even the definition of words change.
    Pick up a dictionary from the 1600s.....can't find one....the 1700s ....probably the first one.
    Compare that to one designed in the 2000s, again, if there is one.
    To do this, one would have to visit the NYC public library and do some serious digging.
    Design, an interesting word...
    Definition, another word of interest..
    INFRINGE : to break
    to encroach
    There is a difference between the two.
    I can see and accept the Constitution framers use of "infringe" . In their time, no government was 100% or even close to being trustworthy..
    Today, things are different..

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    And the Supreme Court has ruled restrictions are Constitutional, the 2nd Amendment is not an unlimited right, the mentally ill and felons are barred from exercising the 2nd A WITHOUT being enumerated in the 2nd A.
    The SCOTUS is correct...back in the day (1700s) of the original "clean" BOR (bill of rights) and the Constitution, the mentally ill did not "exist" , they were swept under the carpet..
    Things are different today, things CHANGE.

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    Re: Gun Control



    I think this clears a lot of things out.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post


    I think this clears a lot of things out.
    Indeed.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Again - if you are enjoying the right, it has not been BROKEN to use the definition you favor. And if it has not been BROKEn then even by your definition it does not rise ot the level of a right that has been INFRINGED.
    So now that you have explained to us what the federal government MAY do, what do you suggest it SHOULD do?

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    Re: Gun Control

    It is very clear that ALL of the people currently hawking all kinds of gun control as a 'solution' to the issue are nearly completely ignorant of anything regarding guns.
    Thus, here's no need to take seriously any opinions from these "common variety pro-gun control" (tm) people. H Lee White
    I am "one of those" ignorants.
    For 70 plus years I have wondered why we need to kill....in order to defend ourselves....a "stun gun" is, IMO, a good idea...
    To listen to , but NOT necessarily accept arguments from the other side is a good idea....NOT IMO...In my opinion, its a "closed mind".
    Does the NRA think that our latest mass murdered need an assault rifle to defend him self from school children ????
    Even if he was sane, and he had a stun gun, how many could he murder ?

    NO, the mentally unstable (like me) do not need an assault weapon, further, IMO, NO citizen does, unless that citizen hates his fellow man that much.

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