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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Out dated or not, it is still the accepted law of the land. As such, it doesn't matter how any of us personally feel about it. Are you arguing for a Constitutional amendment?
    I am arguing that such adherence to doctrine should be challenged. I would like to receive more insight into such fundamentalist adherence to something that was wrote many hundreds of years ago. As yet, all I seem to get is jingoistic rhetoric.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    I am arguing that such adherence to doctrine should be challenged. I would like to receive more insight into such fundamentalist adherence to something that was wrote many hundreds of years ago. As yet, all I seem to get is jingoistic rhetoric.

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    What is it do you suppose that has changed? Do you think that over 200 years the government has deemed itself MORE trustworthy? LESS intrusive into ones personal business? Do you believe that we as a people are less qualified and competent to provide for our selves, our defense? Are there other specifically enumerated int he bill of rights that you feel are quaint and outdated and should thus be eliminated?

    Jingoistic rhetoric...do you mean private citizens should NOT have the right to self defense? Private citizens should NOT be included in the US Code definitions of the 'unorganized' militia? That government today is trustworthy, that local and state governments are secure and can be counted on to not only to NOT deny individuals their rights but to protect and defend them from others? If you are advocating for change, the burden of proof lies with you to prove why the constitution and rights deemed so sacred by the founders so as to specifically be listed in the Bill of Rights should now be sacrificed. The Constitution. CAN be changed...and all you would have to do is follow the procedure. Pass the amendment in both the house and senate, find a way for it to not get shot down by the Supreme Court, have the president sign it, and then have 3/4 of the states vote for the passage of said amendment. Should be a simple enough task if you have the justification.

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    Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Do you have a link to these "massares" of which you speak?
    Yes, I know, playing dumb and acting as a spelling nazi is far easier than coming up with a coherent, intelligent response

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Yes, I know, playing dumb and acting as a spelling nazi is far easier than coming up with a coherent, intelligent response
    Your grammer nazi comment did not deserve a coherent, intelligent response. You may have better success in getting a coherent, intelligent response, by first making a coherent, intelligent comment.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post

    Simple question. Do you see any link between violence and guns?

    Paul
    That's an interesting question.

    Based on statistics found here it seems that the UK ranks 2nd internationally for assault while the US is 9th.

    In total reported crimes the US and UK are numbers 1 and 2 respectively but the US population is roughly 5 times that of the UK which puts crime per capita there at 3 times that of the US.

    So tell me, other than with regard to murders, is there a link between guns and crime?

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    I am arguing that such adherence to doctrine should be challenged. I would like to receive more insight into such fundamentalist adherence to something that was wrote many hundreds of years ago. As yet, all I seem to get is jingoistic rhetoric.

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    As a people, we adhere to a lot of things: traditions, religious views, laws. A change, which people often avoid, requires a rationale. And few accept change readily. Just human nature.

    Still, this law requires a Constitutional amendment. I would not expect one any time soon.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Glad you agree!



    No, I said what I posted above.



    The difference being, in China 22 students were injured. Here, 22 students were killed.
    This is a bull**** anti-gun point. Way to use both tragedies for your own ends. The man in china cut off their fingers, ears and noses. You dont think he couldn't have slashed some throats if he had time to remove specific body parts?
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    I am arguing that such adherence to doctrine should be challenged. I would like to receive more insight into such fundamentalist adherence to something that was wrote many hundreds of years ago. As yet, all I seem to get is jingoistic rhetoric.

    Paul

    Adherence to the Constitution is what keeps us from a government whose power is potentially limitless. This is something we do not wish.

    There is a method for changing the Constitution, the Amendment process. That is the only way to change the right to bear arms, properly. It is difficult and stringent on purpose... anyone who wants to try is welcome to do so, it ain't happening this century.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    This is a bull**** anti-gun point. Way to use both tragedies for your own ends. The man in china cut off their fingers, ears and noses. You dont think he couldn't have slashed some throats if he had time to remove specific body parts?
    Show me what country has 10,000 knife killings a year?
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    We are talking about reducing massacres of innocent people. In order to believe that banning guns that accept high capacity magazines would have no effect on reducing the massacres, one would have to ignore that the guns available in the US that accept high capacity magazines are the guns of choice for those carrying out massacres in both the US and Mexico.
    So do these guns disappear overnight?
    I'm really trying to figure out what you think you'll accomplish with some kind of ban?

    Also, all guns, except for single shot and tube fed, are capable of accepting high capacity magazines.
    You're going to ban every gun capable of accepting these?
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