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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And you will fail again, as before.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What in that section describes imposing definitions of/or limitations to small arms permitted to be kept and born by the people?
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    What in that section describes imposing definitions of/or limitations to small arms permitted to be kept and born by the people?
    Nothing. Nothing at all.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Nothing. Nothing at all.
    I was expecting the standard "commerce" nonsense; if any thing, or any activity, in any way, involves the exchange of currency then congress can pounce upon the object, subject, personnel or service involved (or not involved) in that "commerce" and regulate it, without any limits.

    Edit: If that fails then impose a tax to do (or not to do) whatever the gov't wants done (or not done).
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    well then maybe you will tell us what part of A1Sec8 justifies all the infringements you support then
    Quite a bit of it actually.

    It is always important to begin at the beginning with the Preamble. While in a strict sense, the Preamble does not confer specific powers, it does tell us what everything in it was written and what the goals of the Constitution are. Everything which follows must always be interpreted with the guiding principles contained in the Preamble in mind if there is any question at all about them.

    Very clearly the Preamble tells us that among the purposes of the Constitution are
    *** to form a more perfect union
    *** insure domestic tranquility
    *** provide for the common defense
    *** promote the general welfare

    There is no question that items 2 and 4 would allow apply to crime and how it effects Americans. So we need to keep that in the forefront of your thought on what follows.

    Article I, Section 8 - 1 allows Congress to
    *** lay and collect taxes
    *** provide for the general welfare

    Both of those could be employed on the issue of guns.

    Article I, section 8 -3
    *** empowers Congress the power to regulate imports so that could effect guns and ammunition from foreign nations
    *** empowers Congress the power to regulate interstate commerce and that would effect guns also

    paragraph 16
    *** allows for Congress to regulate the militia

    paragraph 18
    *** empowers Congress to make al laws which are necessary and proper to carry out the earlier powers

    All that can be used in the laws applied to firearms providing they do NOT result in the DEFEAT or DESTRUCTION of the right to keep an bear arms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    All you have done is share your opinion as to which meaning you think was intended.
    Actually, my opinion is supported by every single jurist who ever voted to accept and approve measures which by your own judgment are incremental encroachments constituting a much broader meaning of the word INFRINGED. As such, that list would include a legion of not only federal judges and supreme court justices but a good many constitutional experts as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    From you posts, I get that you are biased towards and have a desire for restricting/banning certain weapons and ammunition magazines.
    Once again, you confuse support with the right to bear arms with support for political positions taken by the gun lobby.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    And you will fail again, as before.
    By all means, do point to any 'failure' that you claim I suffered that is not a mere difference of opinion about interpretation.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    What in that section describes imposing definitions of/or limitations to small arms permitted to be kept and born by the people?
    please see my post 1185
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Actually, my opinion is supported by every single jurist who ever voted to accept and approve measures which by your own judgment are incremental encroachments constituting a much broader meaning of the word INFRINGED. As such, that list would include a legion of not only federal judges and supreme court justices but a good many constitutional experts as well.
    We have gone around and around over this hair splitting attitude of yours. How many straws may be added to the poor camel's back before that final straw is finally seen as an "infringement"?
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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