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    Re: Gun Control

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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post

    You must be delusional.
    No. I am not. Here is the definition you found for us from the thread I provided a link to just above in 1089:

    Since you seem to not know what the definition of "infringement" is, I will do you a favor. Here you are:

    Definition of INFRINGE

    transitive verb
    1
    : to encroach upon in a way that violates law or the rights of another <infringe a patent>
    2
    obsolete : defeat, frustrate
    intransitive verb
    : encroach —used with on or upon <infringe on our rights>
    — in·fring·er noun
    See infringe defined for English-language learners »
    See infringe defined for kids »
    Examples of INFRINGE

    They claim that his use of the name infringes their copyright.
    Her rights must not be infringed.
    Origin of INFRINGE

    Medieval Latin infringere, from Latin, to break, crush, from in- + frangere to break — more at break
    First Known Use: 1513
    Rhymes with INFRINGE

    butt hinge, impinge, syringe, unhinge
    Are you now saying that this was NOT the definition that you yourself found?

    Are you now saying that this was NOT the definition that you yourself located and posted for us?

    Are you now saying that this was NOT the definition that you defended and agreed to in that same thread?
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post

    No. I am not. Here is the definition you found for us from the thread I provided a link to just above in 1089:



    Are you now saying that this was NOT the definition that you yourself found?

    Are you now saying that this was NOT the definition that you yourself located and posted for us?

    Are you now saying that this was NOT the definition that you defended and agreed to in that same thread?
    I never agreed to the second part of the definition. I maintained throughout that thread that only the first part of the definition was applicable to the second amendment. Also, the definition I came up with came from Merriam Webster.

    If you are to be honest, then you MUST agree that a constitutional dictionary would be more accurate in defining any terms mentioned in the constitution and it's amendments, correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I never agreed to the second part of the definition. I maintained throughout that thread that only the first part of the definition was applicable to the second amendment. Also, the definition I came up with came from Merriam Webster.

    If you are to be honest, then you MUST agree that a constitutional dictionary would be more accurate in defining any terms mentioned in the constitution and it's amendments, correct?
    You presented the definition in total.

    You agreed to it.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    If you are to be honest....
    Tell me: What do you figure the odds on that are?

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    Re: Gun Control

    Oh Haymarket, since you seem to LOVE the Merriam Webster, here is the correct CONSTITUTIONAL definition of the word "infringe" taken directly from the times in which it was written. My old definition that I provided in the other thread you keep referring to was just a regular definition and NOT one related to directly to the constitution.

    Read it and weep.

    Definition of INFRINGEMENT

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    : the act of infringing : violation
    2
    : an encroachment or trespass on a right or privilege
    Examples of INFRINGEMENT

    <any government action limiting freedom of speech is an infringement of the U.S. Constitution>
    First Known Use of INFRINGEMENT 1628

    Infringement - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by H. Lee White View Post
    Tell me: What do you figure the odds on that are?
    Probably 0, but there's always hope.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You presented the definition in total.

    You agreed to it.
    Oh well, I was mistaken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Oh Haymarket, since you seem to LOVE the Merriam Webster, here is the correct CONSTITUTIONAL definition of the word "infringe" taken directly from the times in which it was written. My old definition that I provided in the other thread you keep referring to was just a regular definition and NOT one related to directly to the constitution.

    Read it and weep.

    Definition of INFRINGEMENT

    1
    : the act of infringing : violation
    2
    : an encroachment or trespass on a right or privilege
    Examples of INFRINGEMENT

    <any government action limiting freedom of speech is an infringement of the U.S. Constitution>
    First Known Use of INFRINGEMENT 1628

    Infringement - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
    In the world of debate, what you are now engaged in doing is the blatantly dishonest tactic of DEFINITION SHOPPING.

    You presented a definition that you found of your own accord with no help or pressure from anyone.
    It was agreed to as the binding definition by both yourself and myself and others as well in the thread.
    Your very definition caused you to lose the debate.
    So now you shop for a different one that you feel will allow you out of the trap that you built for yourself.

    Anyone with sympathy can feel sorry for what you have done to yourself. And I do have sympathy. I feel for you.

    Anyone with empathy can feel sorry for you building a trap, you stepping into that same trap, and then you trying to gnaw off your own leg to free yourself from the same trip of your own design. And I do have empathy. I feel for you.

    But my sympathy and empathy do not extend to pretending that you did not agree to what you agreed to.
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    Re: Gun Control

    [QUOTE=haymarket;1061284203]
    You presented a definition that you found of your own accord with no help or pressure from anyone.

    This is true, but as I stated I was wrong. I know it's hard to believe, but it happens occasionally.

    It was agreed to as the binding definition by both yourself and myself and others as well in the thread.
    Who the hell are you, the dictionary police? No, you're wrong. Everyone agreed to the definition number 1. It was applicable. Definition number 2 was nonapplicable to the second amendment. Also, if you read the constitutional law definition that I provided (much more accurate than Webster), you will see that the definition you chose (obsolete) is not mentioned anywhere, and this definition is in accordance with the times in which the second amendment was drafted.

    Your very definition caused you to lose the debate.
    So now you shop for a different one that you feel will allow you out of the trap that you built for yourself.
    It only makes sense to use the proper constitutional law definition of the word, don't you think? Or are you going to continue to insist that we use an inaccurate definition just to please yourself?

    Anyone with sympathy can feel sorry for what you have done to yourself. And I do have sympathy. I feel for you.
    LOL! Spare me.

    Anyone with empathy can feel sorry for you building a trap, you stepping into that same trap, and then you trying to gnaw off your own leg to free yourself from the same trip of your own design. And I do have empathy. I feel for you.
    I made a simple error. Why can't you accept that? Oh, I know why, because the real definition according to constitutional law blows YOUR definition out of the water, and makes you look foolish. I do feel sorry for you making yourself look so foolish on this thread. Such a shame that you have to rely on such dishonest debate tactics.

    But my sympathy and empathy do not extend to pretending that you did not agree to what you agreed to.
    I've given you the accurate definition time and time again. It's not my fault you can't handle the truth.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    In the world of debate, what you are now engaged in doing is the blatantly dishonest tactic of DEFINITION SHOPPING.
    To hear you accuse someone else of this is just hilarious, civilian.
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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