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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    after columbine NR did a study based on INTERPOL and FBI crime statistics. if you get rid of black drug crime violence, whites in America have a lower rate of gun crime than whites in Europe (continental and or the UK)
    Is that the case you are going to take to the USSC to overturn the ban? LOL!
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the side that relies on hysteria and emotion always wants to appeal to the masses of low information voters rather than demonstrating well reasoned and evidenced based support for restrictions of the rights of people they despise
    So true. But I don't think they have the support yet to repeal the 2nd amendment, and until they do, there can be no legislation that denies the right of each of us to keep and bear a firearm.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That would be unlikely since the ban was "temporary" and affected only new manufacture and sales. Any ban "with teeth" that attempted to outlaw existing arms, or not contain a "grandfather" clause, would certainly spawn lawsuit action. Many folks made great money selling their "legal" versions of newly "banned" weapons and magazines. The AWB created a very strange climate in the gun "aftermarket" arena. That is why we have a surge in "potentially" targeted new weapon/accessory sales now, and a bump in NRA membership.
    A decade was not enough time to prepare a even one Constitutional argument against the federal AWB???? So if that is your concern. It looks like you have nothing to worry about!
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Scalia is a "Faint hearted originalist" He admits that the New Deal was unconstitutional including the creation of a power to regulate firearms by using a mutation of the commerce clause. But he says those improper expansions are such that he wont disturb them but if you read the test he created in Heller, it is equally applicable to the weapons that the bed wetters in Congress are trying to ban
    If that is what you believe, you should have nothing to worry about, right?
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Is that the case you are going to take to the USSC to overturn the ban? LOL!
    I don't expect the ban to get through the GOP house or even be sustained by lower court judges if it somehow passes

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    please read again

    that is NOT what I am proposing be voted upon.
    My apologies. I am a little unclear about what you are proposing, actually.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It not taken out of context of whether a person has unlimited rights under the 2nd Amendment for any weapon whatsoever. That is exactly what he was addressing.

    Show me legal argument that has been made with a constitutional basis to overturn the ban on assault weapons and hi cap mags that was made during the decade of the 1994 ban.
    I did.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I did.
    Catawba seems forgetful of the fact that prior to Heller the stench of Miller and many poorly reasoned Court of appeals decisions (based on a sick combination of a deliberate misreading of Cruikshank and racist or anti "papist" rules in earlier years) had created an environment where the true meaning of the second amendment was suppressed

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    A decade was not enough time to prepare a even one Constitutional argument against the federal AWB???? So if that is your concern. It looks like you have nothing to worry about!
    Exactly, the AWB was really a cosmetic law. Other than magazine capacity limits, which were likely never enforced (except on original manufacture) what was the change? Plenty of spare magazines are out there now, probably some wise guy has a warehouse or two full of them. Any half competent welder could extend one, all you need is a longer spring and some sheet metal. The fact is that the AWB was a "feel good" law that had no real affect on anything. The market for "assault weapons" is not nearly as big as you might think, many that own them are simply collectors/investors. How many really need a flash suppressor or a bayonette lug? I only care about the dangerous legal precedent that it sets, but many would not sue for fear that a judge would actually tighten the AWB restictions by allowing legal reasoning to do so further - that is why the NRA will never sue.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Exactly, the AWB was really a cosmetic law. Other than magazine capacity limits, which were likely never enforced (except on original manufacture) what was the change? Plenty of spare magazines are out there now, probably some wise guy has a warehouse or two full of them. Any half competent welder could extend one, all you need is a longer spring and some sheet metal. The fact is that the AWB was a "feel good" law that had no real affect on anything. The market for "assault weapons" is not nearly as big as you might think, many that own them are simply collectors/investors. How many really need a flash suppressor or a bayonette lug? I only care about the dangerous legal precedent that it sets, but many would not sue for fear that a judge would actully tighten the AWB restictions by allowing legal reasoning to do so further - that is why the NRA will never sue.
    many of us-in light of that idiocy, started preparing for the next round of congressional pant wetting by stocking up after the clinton ban died. every month i made an order with a major magazine supplier. every gun show I picked up a few AR 15 or Glock magazines. its people who try to buy a defensive pistol after (if one passes) another ban is enacted who get screwed.

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