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Thread: Gun Control

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    So reactionary BS with 0 practical hands on experience? The only time the thought or discussion occurs to you is when the media gets a story of dead innocent people. Not when people defend themselves. So basically your opinion is worthless is because you have el zilcho experience discussing this topic when the media isn't blabbering on about it.
    I asked him his experience and that was the best he could do that is why I dismiss his posts as the product of emotobabble

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    Re: Gun Control

    Lets cut through the crap. If gun ownership and gun sports were as popular with democrats and liberals as they are with conservatives and Republicans, we would not see near as many liberals, progressives and democrat party supporters calling for gun bans or gun control/

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    While we're at it, should we limit the sale of cars that exceed 55 mph? No-one needs a vehicle that goes faster than that....except the police of course.

    What do you mean by "hi powered weaponry" Calliber? Range?
    One thing that has occurred to me to find amusing is that hoplophobes love to describe “assault weapons” as “high-powered”, and to suggest that this is a reason why citizens ought not be allowed to own them.

    “Assault weapon” is a badly-defined term, that coves a very wide range of firearms, but for the most part, it applies to rifles that are similar to true assault rifles, which, by definition, are medium-powered, not high-powered. Most rounds used by true assault rifles (as well as by most “assault weapons”) are not powerful enough to be suitable for deer hunting, for example. Too much likelihood of merely wounding the animal rather than killing it quickly, and thus causing the animal to suffer needlessly.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It not taken out of context of whether a person has unlimited rights under the 2nd Amendment for any weapon whatsoever. That is exactly what he was addressing.

    Show me legal argument that has been made with a constitutional basis to overturn the ban on assault weapons and hi cap mags that was made during the decade of the 1994 ban.
    That would be unlikely since the ban was "temporary" and affected only new manufacture and sales. Any ban "with teeth" that attempted to outlaw existing arms, or not contain a "grandfather" clause, would certainly spawn lawsuit action. Many folks made great money selling their "legal" versions of newly "banned" weapons and magazines. The AWB created a very strange climate in the gun "aftermarket" arena. That is why we have a surge in "potentially" targeted new weapon/accessory sales now, and a bump in NRA membership.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    That case was about handguns. No one is proposing a ban on handguns.

    As Scalia pointed out: "Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited," that it is "not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever"
    Scalia is a "Faint hearted originalist" He admits that the New Deal was unconstitutional including the creation of a power to regulate firearms by using a mutation of the commerce clause. But he says those improper expansions are such that he wont disturb them but if you read the test he created in Heller, it is equally applicable to the weapons that the bed wetters in Congress are trying to ban

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yes, in most of the rest of the industrialized world. Have you not seen the statistics that show that?
    fail on your part, you cannot find a single valid study proving that a magazine limitation in this country will increase public safety. You gun haters tried after the clinton gun ban was created and you failed

    tell us Catawba, why are shopkeepers, doctors, homeowners and farmers' lives less valuable that that of police officers, poultry inspectors, postal inspectors, fire marshals, IRS CID agents, CHAMPUS Agents, etc>

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by H. Lee White View Post
    Most hoplophobes fear guns - especially 'assault weapons' - because they look scary.
    They then believe their irrational respose to someting that scares them is a sound argument for the banning of same.
    yeah.... being scared or having negative feelings to something which was instrumental in the violent butchering of twenty first graders is "irrational"?
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Lets put that to a vote of the American people and see how that idea plays out: The solution to guns is more guns. Somehow I do not see that as a big winning campaign slogan.
    In order for the American people to vote to deny the right to keep and bear a firearm, they would have to go through the amendment process and repeal the 2nd amendment. Barring that happening, each of us has the right to keep and bear a firearm, and no legislation can deny us that right.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    In order for the American people to vote to deny the right to keep and bear a firearm, they would have to go through the amendment process and repeal the 2nd amendment. Barring that happening, each of us has the right to keep and bear a firearm, and no legislation can deny us that right.
    the side that relies on hysteria and emotion always wants to appeal to the masses of low information voters rather than demonstrating well reasoned and evidenced based support for restrictions of the rights of people they despise

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    In order for the American people to vote to deny the right to keep and bear a firearm, they would have to go through the amendment process and repeal the 2nd amendment. Barring that happening, each of us has the right to keep and bear a firearm, and no legislation can deny us that right.
    please read again

    that is NOT what I am proposing be voted upon.
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