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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Ah, still dancing! Are we talking nukes? No, we aren't.
    We aren't talking machine guns either. We're talking Semi-auto, like the AR-15 you like so much.

    Is this it? Is the the limit on moving the discussion forward? Just gonna drag it out as long as possible..huh?
    Maybe you should try doing something other than making personal attacks, I mean if "moving the discussion forward" is actually your goal.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    No it doesn't.
    When a person can't or refuses to verify a claim, imost certainly does cause their claim to be less valid.



    No one is arguing for possesion of full-auto firearms.
    You are just not following along at all or are playing some other game. If you think you know what the argument we (you, stone, pac) have been having on weaponry really is about, express it.



    Nice personal attack. Got anything of substance?
    You have been avoiding the argument....and you still are. Are you going to cry?
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    We aren't talking machine guns either. We're talking Semi-auto, like the AR-15 you like so much.
    This is funny, you still are not aware of the discussion and you fail to understand that an AR-15 IS a "machine gun".



    Maybe you should try doing something other than making personal attacks, I mean if "moving the discussion forward" is actually your goal.
    Maybe you ought to clue yourself into the discussion that is going on around you and participate in a full manner instead of being constantly oblique.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    The rate of fire for an AR-15 is only in the 700-800 rpm range when it is fully automatic,
    Which is the math.....did you do the math yet?


    which is already illegal in the US. The semi automatic version depends on how fast your trigger finger is. You fail.
    Oh..."I" failed?:


    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    The relevant question in this thread is: do you think we as civilians should be allowed to own them? The AR 15 semi automatic. Or a fully automatic rifle built around the AR platform or any other Platform? I believe in the class 3 license we have right now for full autos. I think that is done.
    Again, if you guys could just keep up with the discussion at hand, it would be great.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    There is no doubt that taking all guns away would result in lower crime rates being committed with guns, however, that is an impossibility in America. The only proven way to reduce violent crime in America, including mass shootings, is to arm more people and give them unfettered self defense and defense of others.
    Lets put that to a vote of the American people and see how that idea plays out: The solution to guns is more guns. Somehow I do not see that as a big winning campaign slogan.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I would take the first in any of the following situations:
    1. there were grenades for the launcher
    2. it was close quarters combat
    3. we're fighting at night (it seems to be a night vision scope)
    4. there were less than 400 meters between us.

    Otherwise I'd take the second. The second is slow but very accurate long range. So it's very situation dependent.



    I can reload an M4 in about 2 seconds flat, so I'm not sure how that could be true.
    I don't think you would take the first if you knew exactly what it was
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The high capacity magazine allows higher death counts by the shooter.
    Actually it doesn't. See the higher magazine capacity gun in this picture is an airsoft gun. It holds 30 rounds and is battery opperated. Yet it has ALL the features that would ban an assault rifle. So the fact that it is an "assault weapon" by cosmetics is silly. The 10 round magazine of the Ban LEGAL AR15...is much more devastating. Not to mention...if the above airsoft gun was actually a REAL .223...it would be no more deadly than the AR15 in the picture. Why? Because it has reduced accuracy because of the folding stock, the bayonet lug is pointless, and the 30 round magazine would be nothing more than ammunition waste by an inexperienced shooter. A 10 round mag means I will need to actually aim.

    Now let's just address the issue that once a mass shooting coward meets LEO resistance...they usually kill themselves. What does that tell you? That maybe armed resistence isn't sp bad? How about the school shooting stopped with a .45? You heard of that. Look it up. ARMED resistance is not bad. It isn't for everyone though. I don't think I would trust you or capster to do it. I would trust turtledude if he had a shotgun (he will get it), and it is pretty well shown that resistence causes at the minimum...suicide.

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    anyway.

    Can you show me where limiting magazine capacity made a difference?
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I would take the first in any of the following situations:
    1. there were grenades for the launcher
    2. it was close quarters combat
    3. we're fighting at night (it seems to be a night vision scope)
    4. there were less than 400 meters between us.

    Otherwise I'd take the second. The second is slow but very accurate long range. So it's very situation dependent.



    I can reload an M4 in about 2 seconds flat, so I'm not sure how that could be true.
    The "assault rifle" is actually a ruger 10/22 converted to look like an AK74. Funny how cosmetics make a difference huh?
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Can you show me where limiting magazine capacity made a difference?
    Be interested to see someone show that what happened in Newtown would not have happened if the shooter had a Rem M870 with a 5-rd tube instead of an AR.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    The "assault rifle" is actually a ruger 10/22 converted to look like an AK74. Funny how cosmetics make a difference huh?
    Most hoplophobes fear guns - especially 'assault weapons' - because they look scary.
    They then believe their irrational respose to someting that scares them is a sound argument for the banning of same.

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