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Gun Control

Would you support more restrictions on guns if they had the potential to save lives?

  • Yes

    Votes: 59 39.9%

  • No

    Votes: 74 50.0%

  • Others

    Votes: 15 10.1%
  • Total voters
    148
lpast said:
Jerry read what I wrote ok..I never said there was an assault weapon used...
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I never said you said that, though. I was making my own point. Geez you're so defensive. ****.
 
Jerry said:
I never said you said that, though. I was making my own point. Geez you're so defensive. ****.
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Heh...that I am...I readily admit to that :) but not only for myself.
 
Boo Radley said:
I quite disagree. The Brady bill was far from a ban, and assault weapons never had a huge following. But there was nothing close to banning all weapons. Congress would never even take up such a notion.
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Not all at once, no. They'd start with much smaller steps, such as the Brady Bill and the fraudulent “assault weapon” ban.
 
Catawba said:
Since gun fanatics believe there is no difference in these types of semi automatic military style rifles and others available it will not even be a hardship, much less an attack on gun owners.
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Stupid laws are bad for society
 
Me and the wife discussed it last night. Now, everyone here KNOWS I love my guns. Since I got my first Daisy Model 28 pump BB gun I have love to shoot cans (and when mama wasn't looking, maybe a sparrow or two.) That developed in to enjoyment of shooting trap. I killed my first deer before I was 14.

But I have been thinking pretty hard about it and I (we) have reached our decision.

I am going to keep my Browning .22, my Ithica 12 ga., and my Remington .3006. And Ol' Roscoe gets to stay in my nightstand.

But I have decided to destroy my Chinese SKS and my Panther A3 classic. But what REALLY is bringing me down is that I have also decided to destroy my .30 cal M1 carbine my father gave me before he passed away. It is a 1943 issue with General Motors stamped into the barrel. It is truly a collectable.

I have decided against selling them. That hurts too. No, we are going to destroy them.

I am not worried about what I would do with them but more worried that some evil, punk, thief-in-the-night will come take them, (as has been done before,) and do harm to one of your children. Or one of my grandchildren.

I am not saying anyone else should do this. But it's a free country and I am free to destroy them if I want to. And I do.

You guys have no clue how much I hate doing this. Especially with the carbine. I love these guns. But my folly is not worth your pain.

I will still hunt and shoot trap though.

This is gonna hurt.
 
Captain America said:
I have decided against selling them. That hurts too. No, we are going to destroy them.

I am not worried about what I would do with them but more worried that some evil, punk, thief-in-the-night will come take them, (as has been done before,) and do harm to one of your children. Or one of my grandchildren.

I am not saying anyone else should do this. But it's a free country and I am free to destroy them if I want to. And I do.

You guys have no clue how much I hate doing this. Especially with the carbine. I love these guns. But my folly is not worth your pain.

I will still hunt and shoot trap though.

This is gonna hurt.
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Well, hon, you gotta do what you gotta do. I would not be willing to do the same. That is what a high-quality gun safe is for, and I will not let a fear of theives determine my decisions.
 
lizzie said:
Well, hon, you gotta do what you gotta do. I would not be willing to do the same. That is what a high-quality gun safe is for, and I will not let a fear of theives determine my decisions.
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I totally respect that. But when my house got hit some decades ago, they took my guns, safe, stereo, headphones, guitar and even ripped my rotary dial phone off the wall. Now, I have to live with the fact that a criminal has another ill-gotten gun. My gun. (And it was schweeeet .243.) Perhaps I should have bolted the safe (more like a locked cabinet,) to the floor. Hindsite is 20/20, no?

But the way I look at it, personally, what good is an assault rifle locked inside a safe when some scumbag comes and kicks in my door? I don't deer hunt with them. (Well, I did take a doe with the SKS once.) I do enjoy shooting them but that enjoyment does not justify the risk in my eyes.

It's a personal thang.
 
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Captain America said:
Me and the wife discussed it last night. Now, everyone here KNOWS I love my guns. Since I got my first Daisy Model 28 pump BB gun I have love to shoot cans (and when mama wasn't looking, maybe a sparrow or two.) That developed in to enjoyment of shooting trap. I killed my first deer before I was 14.

But I have been thinking pretty hard about it and I (we) have reached our decision.

I am going to keep my Browning .22, my Ithica 12 ga., and my Remington .3006. And Ol' Roscoe gets to stay in my nightstand.

But I have decided to destroy my Chinese SKS and my Panther A3 classic. But what REALLY is bringing me down is that I have also decided to destroy my .30 cal M1 carbine my father gave me before he passed away. It is a 1943 issue with General Motors stamped into the barrel. It is truly a collectable.

I have decided against selling them. That hurts too. No, we are going to destroy them.

I am not worried about what I would do with them but more worried that some evil, punk, thief-in-the-night will come take them, (as has been done before,) and do harm to one of your children. Or one of my grandchildren.

I am not saying anyone else should do this. But it's a free country and I am free to destroy them if I want to. And I do.

You guys have no clue how much I hate doing this. Especially with the carbine. I love these guns. But my folly is not worth your pain.

I will still hunt and shoot trap though.

This is gonna hurt.
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When I hear of someone else committing a crime, it doesn't occur to me to damage my own property in response That's like cutting myself because someone else robbed a bank. It doesn't make any sense to me. So, I don't understand your thinking here, do you take a baseball bat to your windshield when you pass by someone who was pulled over?

Do what you want with your own property, of course, I just don't get it.
 
Jerry said:
When I hear of someone else committing a crime, it doesn't occur to me to damage my own property in response That's like cutting myself because someone else robbed a bank. It doesn't make any sense to me. So, I don't understand your thinking here, do you take a baseball bat to your windshield when you pass by someone who was pulled over?
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I hear ya Jerry. I didn't make this decision lightly. But that's what I decided to do. Hope it saves a life someday. I dunno.
 
Captain America said:
I totally respect that. But when my house got hit some decades ago, they took my guns, safe, stereo, headphones, guitar and even ripped my rotary dial phone off the wall. Now, I have to live with the fact that a criminal has another ill-gotten gun. My gun. (And it was schweeeet .243.) Perhaps I should have bolted the safe (more like a locked cabinet,) to the floor. Hindsite is 20/20, no?

But the way I look at it, personally, what good is an assault rifle locked inside a safe when some scumbag comes and kicks in my door? I don't deer hunt with them. I do enjoy shooting them but that enjoyment does not justify the risk in my eyes.

It's a personal thang.
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That's fine, and I understand, but I am pretty much a collector. I shoot my pellet rifles for fun, and have a couple of nice old vintage ones that I just love for their uniqueness, and I shoot the .22 rifle just to keep familiar with it, and my .38 special just to keep accurate, but if someone can take my safe, they are going to have to come well-prepared, and plan to spend significant time, manpower, and energy to do so.
 
Jerry said:
I just don't understand that at all.
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Right on Jer. I have to admit, it is very hard to explain. It's just something I feel I gotta do bro.

My SKS and Panther and M1 were only made to kill people. Other than that, (and them being just downright awesome looking,) I can't see that much use for them anymore. To me, I can no longer justify owning them. I want them gone.

Stranger things have happened. I still got Roscoe.
 
Captain America said:
Right on Jer. I have to admit, it is very hard to explain. It's just something I feel I gotta do bro.

My SKS and Panther and M1 were only made to kill people. Other than that, (and them being just downright awesome looking,) I can't see that much use for them anymore. To me, I can no longer justify owning them. I want them gone.

Stranger things have happened. I still got Roscoe.
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Ooh, so your reasons are more personal, and this story just brought the issue to the surface for you?
 
Absolutely correct.

The very real anti gun community that wants to ultimately end civilian gun ownership isn't about to try for that; it'd tear the nation apart and they know it.

The start and focus on making gun ownership more difficult (added regulation and expense). That reduces gun ownership a small sum, but creates a bigger
electorate of non gun owners as it happens.

With their new voter base they apply even more burdens to ownership like taxes, ongoing background checks, mental health exams etc; and the size of
gun ownership shrinks again.

Then they decide - ok no new guns of a certain kind, then more, and more which creates fewer new gun owners; and their core expands even more.

Then its banning the transfer of guns to others - at first only inheritance and 10 years later no inheritance even. The number of gun owners naturally
declines continously. They enjoy a vast majority.

They start with expansive buy back efforts - these are minor now in comparison and don't really compare to what they'd do then. The simple
suggestion - turn it in now - get paid - advoid the tax increase coming on it and likely disposal requirements of the future.

Then finally with the pro gun community down to 10% of the nation, maligned as "gun crazy wackos," they can impose an all out ban
like they wanted day one.


Bob Blaylock said:
Not all at once, no. They'd start with much smaller steps, such as the Brady Bill and the fraudulent “assault weapon” ban.
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Jerry said:
Ooh, so your reasons are more personal, and this story just brought the issue to the surface for you?
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Very personal. I just had the grandkids up for the weekend. Also had a phone call from an old friend (who, I might add makes Rush Limbaugh look like a liberal,) that just had her son and his little friend find her pistol in her drawer. They were playing when the gun went off and now his little friend has permanent brain damage. But, thank God, the little boy lived. But they are both scarred for life.

Yeah, it's a personal kinda thang. It just doesn't add up anymore at this particular point and time in my life.

But that's just me. I've done crazier things. LOL!
 
Captain America said:
Very personal. I just had the grandkids up for the weekend. Also had a phone call from an old friend (who, I might add makes Rush Limbaugh look like a liberal,) that just had her son and his little friend find her pistol in her drawer. They were playing when the gun went off and now his little friend has permanent brain damage. But, thank God, the little boy lived. But they are both scarred for life.

Yeah, it's a personal kinda thang. It just doesn't add up anymore at this particular point and time in my life.

But that's just me. I've done crazier things. LOL!
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That sucks. I could never keep a weapon unsecure with a child around. What a tragic oversight. I can understand where you are comming from. My dad got rid of his 357 our of fear and the cop that came to collect it said it was one of the noblest things hes ever seen.

I always keep a lock through my barrel and hide my key just because i know kids can be curious and perhaps I would forget to secure it if I didnt keep it this way ALL the time.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
That sucks. I could never keep a weapon unsecure with a child around. What a tragic oversight. I can understand where you are comming from. My dad got rid of his 357 our of fear and the cop that came to collect it said it was one of the noblest things hes ever seen.

I always keep a lock through my barrel and hide my key just because i know kids can be curious and perhaps I would forget to secure it if I didnt keep it this way ALL the time.
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Yes, it was very stupid on her part, I agree. I'm sure the little boys parents will be suing her for all shes got too. I would.

How long would it take you to get your key and unlock your gun if a scumbag was busting into your bedroom at 2:30 in the morning?

My Roscoe is locked and loaded and ready to shoot. I need about 4 seconds to wake up, pull it from the nightstand drawer and pull the trigger. And I think that's still cutting it pretty close. When the grandkids are in town, it goes into the safe.
 
Captain America said:
Very personal. I just had the grandkids up for the weekend. Also had a phone call from an old friend (who, I might add makes Rush Limbaugh look like a liberal,) that just had her son and his little friend find her pistol in her drawer. They were playing when the gun went off and now his little friend has permanent brain damage. But, thank God, the little boy lived. But they are both scarred for life.

Yeah, it's a personal kinda thang. It just doesn't add up anymore at this particular point and time in my life.

But that's just me. I've done crazier things. LOL!
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Wow, damn, proper storage is defiantly a middle ground for the pro-control folks. IMO keep your gun on your person or in a rated safe.
 
Captain America said:
Yes, it was very stupid on her part, I agree. I'm sure the little boys parents will be suing her for all shes got too. I would.

How long would it take you to get your key and unlock your gun if a scumbag was busting into your bedroom at 2:30 in the morning?

My Roscoe is locked and loaded and ready to shoot. I need about 4 seconds to wake up, pull it from the nightstand drawer and pull the trigger. And I think that's still cutting it pretty close. When the grandkids are in town, it goes into the safe.
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At least a minute probably. :S But I still rather not leave it unsecured.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
At least a minute probably. :S But I still rather not leave it unsecured.
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So, in other words, your gun is not meant for protection?

We can both agree that, in the split second moment you might ever need to protect yourself with a gun, 60 seconds is about 56 seconds to long. Study long, study wrong.

Is it for recreation? Do you plan to use it someday to go after someone? Help me to understand it's purpose and value to you.

PS... Ironically, the little boy that shot his friend with his momma's gun, I mentioned earlier was named Chris also.
 
Captain America said:
So, in other words, your gun is not meant for protection?

We can both agree that, in the split second moment you might ever need to protect yourself with a gun, 60 seconds is about 56 seconds to long. Study long, study wrong.

Is it for recreation? Do you plan to use it someday to go after someone? Help me to understand it's purpose and value to you.

PS... Ironically, the little boy that shot his friend with his momma's gun, I mentioned earlier was named Chris also.
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I realize this is something close to you by people you know, and I don't want to step on any toes while expressing an opinion on gun storage. It's not my intent to persecute the gun's owner, I'm sure the situation has been dealt with.

My only opinion is that when a gun is loaded, it should either be on it's owner's person or locked, such as a bed-side vault. If a friend were asking me if he should keep his loaded gun in a sock drawer I would passionately advise against it.
 
Jerry said:
I realize this is something close to you by people you know, and I don't want to step on any toes while expressing an opinion on gun storage. It's not my intent to persecute the gun's owner, I'm sure the situation has been dealt with.

My only opinion is that when a gun is loaded, it should either be on it's owner's person or locked, such as a bed-side vault. If a friend were asking me if he should keep his loaded gun in a sock drawer I would passionately advise against it.
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As would I under different circumstances. But it's just me and the ol' ball and chain around here anymore. The ONLY reason I keep ol' Roscoe around is to have him at the ready when and if I ever need him. Being locked in a safe or having gun locks on the trigger would do me no good in the minute, nay seconds, of need.

When we have company over, especially if children are involved, he usually goes into the safe until I get ready to go to bed.

Roscoe only sits in the drawer while I am either sleeping or watching television in my bedroom. Otherwise, I don't leave home without him. We've kinda bonded that way.
 
Captain America said:
As would I under different circumstances. But it's just me and the ol' ball and chain around here anymore. The ONLY reason I keep ol' Roscoe around is to have him at the ready when and if I ever need him. Being locked in a safe or having gun locks on the trigger would do me no good in the minute, nay seconds, of need.

When we have company over, especially if children are involved, he usually goes into the safe until I get ready to go to bed.

Roscoe only sits in the drawer while I am either sleeping or watching television in my bedroom. Otherwise, I don't leave home without him. We've kinda bonded that way.
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Have you considered something like this: GunVault SV500 SpeedVault Standard Digital Safe 13X3.5X6.5 Inches
 
Captain America said:
Me and the wife discussed it last night. Now, everyone here KNOWS I love my guns. Since I got my first Daisy Model 28 pump BB gun I have love to shoot cans (and when mama wasn't looking, maybe a sparrow or two.) That developed in to enjoyment of shooting trap. I killed my first deer before I was 14.

But I have been thinking pretty hard about it and I (we) have reached our decision.

I am going to keep my Browning .22, my Ithica 12 ga., and my Remington .3006. And Ol' Roscoe gets to stay in my nightstand.

But I have decided to destroy my Chinese SKS and my Panther A3 classic. But what REALLY is bringing me down is that I have also decided to destroy my .30 cal M1 carbine my father gave me before he passed away. It is a 1943 issue with General Motors stamped into the barrel. It is truly a collectable.

I have decided against selling them. That hurts too. No, we are going to destroy them.

I am not worried about what I would do with them but more worried that some evil, punk, thief-in-the-night will come take them, (as has been done before,) and do harm to one of your children. Or one of my grandchildren.

I am not saying anyone else should do this. But it's a free country and I am free to destroy them if I want to. And I do.

You guys have no clue how much I hate doing this. Especially with the carbine. I love these guns. But my folly is not worth your pain.

I will still hunt and shoot trap though.

This is gonna hurt.
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Good on you Captain!!!
 
Captain America said:
Me and the wife discussed it last night. Now, everyone here KNOWS I love my guns. Since I got my first Daisy Model 28 pump BB gun I have love to shoot cans (and when mama wasn't looking, maybe a sparrow or two.) That developed in to enjoyment of shooting trap. I killed my first deer before I was 14.

But I have been thinking pretty hard about it and I (we) have reached our decision.

I am going to keep my Browning .22, my Ithica 12 ga., and my Remington .3006. And Ol' Roscoe gets to stay in my nightstand.

But I have decided to destroy my Chinese SKS and my Panther A3 classic. But what REALLY is bringing me down is that I have also decided to destroy my .30 cal M1 carbine my father gave me before he passed away. It is a 1943 issue with General Motors stamped into the barrel. It is truly a collectable.

I have decided against selling them. That hurts too. No, we are going to destroy them.

I am not worried about what I would do with them but more worried that some evil, punk, thief-in-the-night will come take them, (as has been done before,) and do harm to one of your children. Or one of my grandchildren.

I am not saying anyone else should do this. But it's a free country and I am free to destroy them if I want to. And I do.

You guys have no clue how much I hate doing this. Especially with the carbine. I love these guns. But my folly is not worth your pain.

I will still hunt and shoot trap though.

This is gonna hurt.
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You won't be alone with those sentiments. It really does seem there is a ground swirl (from prominent NRA members) for more regulation,


"You'd be hard-pressed to find politician with a better record on supporting the right to bear arms than Sen. Joe Manchin. He's an avid hunter, self described 'proud outdoorsman,' and a longtime member of the National Rifle Association.

But with Newtown, Connecticut beginning their funerals for 20 dead children murdered in their classrooms Friday by gunman Adam Lanza - not to mention seven more adults - Manchin believes that stricter gun control laws are not only reasonable but absolutely necessary.

'This is bigger than just about guns,' Manchin said. 'It's about how we treat people with mental illness, how we intervene, how we get them the care they need, how we protect our schools. It's just so sad."

US gun control: NRA member Senator comes out in favor of MORE regulation as nation gears up for tough debate | Mail Online

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