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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    How many innocent civilians in the US die as a result of prostitution each year?
    Quite a few: http://www.debatepolitics.com/true-d...s-rivrrat.html

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Quite the analogy Jerry, we see a lot of massacres that result from pot and prostitution, don't we?
    We don't seea lot of massares that "result" from guns either.

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    Re: Gun Control

    [QUOTE=lizzie;1061261457][QUOTE=gunner;1061261424]

    It is important in the 21st century for the same reason it was important in the 1700's.
    Please explain?

    Oxymoron, how? The problem is not the guns, or the gun numbers, but the cultural attitudes of those who use them for destructive purposes. Our culture increasingly glorifies criminals and violence. Take and look at our large urban areas to see that this is so. Take a look as many of our movies, and violent video games, as an example.
    You are listing (quite correctly IMO) contributing factors that need to be proved/disproved, as actually being contributory. Do you not feel a gun (which is the optimal device for inflicting violence) has a part in that 'Cultural problem'?

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    I have to disagree.

    I think that the evidence is very clear that gun control laws, in general increase the danger of violent crime, by insuring that potential victims are defenseless against armed criminals.
    I agree. Our rights should never be subject to some perceived benefits that the loss of these rights might give us. Such "benefits", if they can be called that, would always be temporary while the loss of freedom would be permanent.

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    Re: Gun Control

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post



    Please explain?



    You are listing (quite correctly IMO) contributing factors that need to be proved/disproved, as actually being contributory. Do you not feel a gun (which is the optimal device for inflicting violence) has a part in that 'Cultural problem'?

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    No, I don't believe that. The problem is not the tools, but the individuals who use them. Guns are just as available today as they were a couple of hundred years ago, maybe even less so.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Up until the 1994 elections, she certainly did have real power. She and her organization were the major driving force behind the fraudulent “assault weapon” ban. It probably wouldn't have happened without her efforts. And the “Brady Bill”*before that. I think there is every reason to believe that had the 1994 elections gone differently, she would have succeeded in getting even more outrageous, unconstitutional gun restrictions passed into law.
    I quite disagree. The Brady bill was far from a ban, and assault weapons never had a huge following. But there was nothing close to banning all weapons. Congress would never even take up such a notion.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I don't favor more gun control, first because of the 2nd amendment, and its importance, and secondly, because I don't believe it would have any effect on lessening violence in this culture. What we have is a cultural problem, not a gun problem.

    It is important in the 21st century for the same reason it was important in the 1700's.
    Can you please explain why you feel what was important in the 1700s is as important to the 21st century?

    No, I don't believe that. The problem is not the tools, but the individuals who use them. Guns are just as available today as they were a couple of hundred years ago, maybe even less so.
    IIRC America has around 400 million guns in circulation. You do not see any link between guns and violence?

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post

    No, I don't believe that. The problem is not the tools, but the individuals who use them. Guns are just as available today as they were a couple of hundred years ago, maybe even less so.
    I do think if you look they are more available. One of the historical reasons for the second amendment was to remove obstacles before those who might participate in the citizen militia.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    Can you please explain why you feel what was important in the 1700s is as important to the 21st century?



    IIRC America has around 400 million guns in circulation. You do not see any link between guns and violence?

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    It is as important today, as it was 200 years ago, because it is our constitutional right to own and bear arms. It may not be important to you, in your own culture, but it is a part of American culture.

    As I stated earlier, it is not the guns which are the problem. It is the collective psyche of the people making up a society. People who are violent will be violent, regardless of the tools at their disposal. Those of us who support gun rights, do so, because it is our constitutional right, and because we believe strongly in the right to self-defense. Our society is huge and diverse, which naturally creates conflict.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I quite disagree. The Brady bill was far from a ban, and assault weapons never had a huge following. But there was nothing close to banning all weapons. Congress would never even take up such a notion.
    The previous ban also only banned imported "assault weapons" not American made ones. No Ak-47 knock offs (as far as I know the actual AK-47 from Kalashnikov, made in Russia, was never legally imported to the US for commercial sale, lots of SKSs, AKSs and AKMs, among others but not real AKs ) but lots of AR-15s and knock offs. No Uzi's or HK MP-5's, but hey, lots of Ingram Arms Mac-10s and -11s.
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