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    Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    I see The religious praying at churches and stuff after horrible events like this latest school shooting. They comfort themselves with the idea that "God has a plan". Well, God gave us free will... so the idea that there is a plan kinda makes sense, to a degree. What about the mentally challenged socio-paths that commit crimes like this. Manson, Bundy, this ****tard who killed the beautiful and innocent little children. Can they have free will? They can't, in my opinion. They are ****ed in the head. They can't make rational decisions AT ALL. They don't understand consequences. Many of them lack morals.

    I just wonder because the idea of free will seems to get tossed out the window when it comes to these ****s... so, logically, that shoots a hole in the entire idea that there is ANY free will.

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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    Okay, I will try to address the whole free will issue as simply as possible. I tend to take a Deterministic viewpoint (based on philosophical reading of which you should do some on your own). Wikipedia says "Determinism is a philosophy stating that for everything that happens there are conditions such that, given those conditions, nothing else could happen." So if you understand this and realize that science can determine said things then freewill is not an issue, but the problem is when you take a Kierkegaard leap of faith then the freewill issue becomes easily dogmatically understood. So freewill isn't a question of science or reasoning, but rather a science of taking a step in the dark.

    Edit: I probably just failed at addressing it simply.
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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I see The religious praying at churches and stuff after horrible events like this latest school shooting. They comfort themselves with the idea that "God has a plan". Well, God gave us free will... so the idea that there is a plan kinda makes sense, to a degree. What about the mentally challenged socio-paths that commit crimes like this. Manson, Bundy, this ****tard who killed the beautiful and innocent little children. Can they have free will? They can't, in my opinion. They are ****ed in the head. They can't make rational decisions AT ALL. They don't understand consequences. Many of them lack morals.

    I just wonder because the idea of free will seems to get tossed out the window when it comes to these ****s... so, logically, that shoots a hole in the entire idea that there is ANY free will.

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    I don't entirely agree. I think that if the subject is capable of any degree of reason, then he is capable of some degree of free will. I believe a choice was made at some point.

    There are many people who are born with certain mental issues. Some seem to be saints; others are certainly demonic; the rest are simply human, like the rest of us but with some limitations.

    You pays your money and you chooses your frame of reference. I have to believe in free will, it is the only way the universe makes any sense to me.

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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    There is no 'will', free or otherwise. The concept of 'will' is an interpretation of a complex of phenomenon, unified by the self-observer into something that actually exists as a multiplicity.
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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    So, "mentally challenged" are the criminals with mental illness, not those that might be otherwise be associated with intellectual disabilities, mental health problems, and so forth?

    Because if they were to be those with intellectual disabilities or other mental health issues, I'd suggest folks look at: On the Margins of Citizenship: Intellectual Disability and Civil Rights in Twentieth-Century America: Allison C. Carey: 9781592136988: Amazon.com: Books
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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    So, "mentally challenged" are the criminals with mental illness, not those that might be otherwise be associated with intellectual disabilities, mental health problems, and so forth?
    It is everybody... but the point of this thread is to discuss those that commit criminal acts and how people justify God's Plan by grieving.
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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I see The religious praying at churches and stuff after horrible events like this latest school shooting. They comfort themselves with the idea that "God has a plan". Well, God gave us free will... so the idea that there is a plan kinda makes sense, to a degree. What about the mentally challenged socio-paths that commit crimes like this. Manson, Bundy, this ****tard who killed the beautiful and innocent little children. Can they have free will? They can't, in my opinion. They are ****ed in the head. They can't make rational decisions AT ALL. They don't understand consequences. Many of them lack morals.

    I just wonder because the idea of free will seems to get tossed out the window when it comes to these ****s... so, logically, that shoots a hole in the entire idea that there is ANY free will.

    What say you?

    Free will does not imply logic, good sense, rational thought or charitable intention.

    An act like this, as heinous as it is, is a proof of free will.

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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I see The religious praying at churches and stuff after horrible events like this latest school shooting. They comfort themselves with the idea that "God has a plan". Well, God gave us free will... so the idea that there is a plan kinda makes sense, to a degree. What about the mentally challenged socio-paths that commit crimes like this. Manson, Bundy, this ****tard who killed the beautiful and innocent little children. Can they have free will? They can't, in my opinion. They are ****ed in the head. They can't make rational decisions AT ALL. They don't understand consequences. Many of them lack morals.

    I just wonder because the idea of free will seems to get tossed out the window when it comes to these ****s... so, logically, that shoots a hole in the entire idea that there is ANY free will.

    What say you?
    I don't think every psychopath acts on their violent impulses. There are plenty of people hanging on by their fingernails who choose not to give in to the impulses their sick minds suggest they do. I do think it's disingenuous to use a sick mind as proof (or no proof) of free will. They are anomalies.
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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    Free will does not imply logic, good sense, rational thought or charitable intention.

    An act like this, as heinous as it is, is a proof of free will.
    How and why?
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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I don't think every psychopath acts on their violent impulses. There are plenty of people hanging on by their fingernails who choose not to give in to the impulses their sick minds suggest they do. I do think it's disingenuous to use a sick mind as proof (or no proof) of free will. They are anomalies.
    Do they have free will then? If they can't make a rational conscious choice then don't they lack free will?
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