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Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

Does Free Will Include the Mentally Challenged?

  • Yes

    Votes: 10 38.5%
  • No

    Votes: 3 11.5%
  • Unsure

    Votes: 6 23.1%
  • Who cares...

    Votes: 7 26.9%

  • Total voters
    26
Exactly. It's about a lack of control. And it's about being disconnected from others. People need to feel like they are connected in someway to those around them. If they feel belittled, unappreciated or unimportant, or worse still - bullied, they usually lash out. Sometimes suicide is so terrifying to some that they have to kill others first in order to push themselves over the edge. It's selfish and horrible, but isolation does that to people.

I don't think it is selfish in reality. Desperate? Yeah. As for isolation doing that to people, it does if they don't have a well-developed sense of self, which is unreliant on the opinions and support of others, but this doesn't usually happen until later in life. With a kid, and with a portion of adults, I think that is completely true.
 
I don't think it is selfish in reality. Desperate? Yeah. As for isolation doing that to people, it does if they don't have a well-developed sense of self, which is unreliant on the opinions and support of others, but this doesn't usually happen until later in life. With a kid, and with a portion of adults, I think that is completely true.

The introverted person (not a sociopath necessarily) spends a great deal of time thinking about him/herself in relation to others, and often times it is then that they realize that others either don't understand them or don't care. A trigger can be a "confirmation" of this thought process.
 
The suicide rate for DD people is 3x the NT population. WHy? three guesses.

I only need one guess: They are DD people. (Duh?)

Life is hard enough without disabilities. It would be strange if the disabled did not have a higher suicide rate than people without disabilities. (Think before you post!)
 
Everyone has free will. Biopsychosocial circumstances makes certain choices harder for people, but they still have a choice in their actions.

The OCD individual may have a compulsion that no one else understands, but they still choose to act on the impulse.
 
Everyone has free will. Biopsychosocial circumstances makes certain choices harder for people, but they still have a choice in their actions.

The OCD individual may have a compulsion that no one else understands, but they still choose to act on the impulse.

What makes them choose? What is the basis for their decisions?
 
I only need one guess: They are DD people. (Duh?)

Life is hard enough without disabilities. It would be strange if the disabled did not have a higher suicide rate than people without disabilities. (Think before you post!)

It must be an epidemic. You missed my point entirely. If you read my post entirely you might have gotten it but you didn't even read the blip you clipped it says DD people. DUH
 
No, you really didn't. How a person responds to those circumstances is influenced by what?

The interplay of biological, social and environmental factors on the bleedin' psyche - "biopsychosocial circumstances".
 
And what control does a person have over those biological, social, and environmental factors that directly influence their decisions?

They don't to a certain extent. What has that to do with free will?
 
They don't to a certain extent. What has that to do with free will?

Free will, by the strictest definition, cannot exist because one's decisions are not free of outside influences. People choose their actions based on genetic factors, their environment, and other factors beyond their control. Therefore, their decisions are not free but rather interconnected to a myriad of other external causes.
 
Free will, by the strictest definition, cannot exist because one's decisions are not free of outside influences. People choose their actions based on genetic factors, their environment, and other factors beyond their control. Therefore, their decisions are not free but rather interconnected to a myriad of other external causes.

Is the "strictest definition" something you made up or are you citing something?

I'm not sure anyone in history has argued against your claimed strictest definition if it exists.
 
Another clueless post from a person who doesn't understand the difference between mentally ill, psychotic or DD/AI and so forth. And from the tenure of the post does not want to. Just spouting his idiotic self absorb ideas about what happened.

First the person was probably not mentally ill but Autistic (know the difference?)

the rest of the post is so deep in horse**** I am surprised he made it out to post this crap. No clue at all just junk.

I am DD (aspergers syndrome) and like 100% of my fellow Aspies I have morals (maybe more than some people), I have a high IQ (again common), I am a father and husband and was an environmental regulator for 21 years so so much for rational decisions and not understanding conseguences.

To paraphrase my signature "Either you know this in your bones or you are very very old."

High IQ? Then why did you miss the part where I specifically said, "socio-paths"?

I am afraid that I am far out of your league little buddy... ;)

Not it was intended to be a rant against things you do not understand and may not be able to. If it were asa you say you rant would not have contained so many assinine statements/.

Gods Plan?

Is this English? WTF? :lol:

Insanity is a legal term not a psychological one. It has not meaning outside a court of law.

That is why I used it in a legal manner... seriously. Your IQ is not higher the closer it gets to zero, in case you were confused.
 
Insane is a legal term with no analytical or psychiatric meaning.

Again... that is why I am using it AS A LEGAL TERM. :roll:

A low to mid functioning Autistic does not operate on your level. There processes are beyond most peoples understanding. He did what he did to deal with whatever "ghosts" he was plagued with. he may not have seen his actions as wrong in his mind (autistic people do not see others as people) this is not mental illness it just the way it is.

The mom thing from what I understand was a rage reaction. he probably had no plan but was simply a prisoner of his emotional state at the time, this is quite common. I think Lizzie gave the best explanation as to the rest of it.

My nephew is autistic and I am a teacher who teaches some low level autistic kids as well as quite a few with Asperger's
 
I think that the existence of psychopathy disproves the Christian God, because that would mean God would be expecting someone incapable of moral reasoning to morally reason.

This is where I was going with my OP. Thanks... :)
 
Again... that is why I am using it AS A LEGAL TERM. :roll:



My nephew is autistic and I am a teacher who teaches some low level autistic kids as well as quite a few with Asperger's

Let me guess somewhere in the south or Arizona right?
 
Yes, they have free will, BUT their judgment and ability to make good decisions are impaired. So the decisions they make are equally impaired.

This would be my take on the Christian's that accept this horrors as an act of God or part of God's Plan... Thanks.
 
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