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Thread: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Excuse as in let them off for insanity or some other "Excuse". In that manner...
    Okay, that's still ambiguous. If you mean "let them off" of having to take responsibility for their behavior, then certain people probably should be let off because certain mental problems decrease or eliminate the responsibility they have for their behavior. If you mean "let them off" of having to be punished for their crimes regardless of how responsible they are, then certain people probably should be let off since I don't think anybody should be punished for something that is out of their control. If you mean "let them off" of having anything thing happen to them as a result of their behavior, then I agree, nobody should be let off. In the cases of those individuals where a mental problem severely decreases or eliminates the responsibility they have for violent behavior, then they should be housed in a mental facility until they are no longer a danger to society.

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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I see The religious praying at churches and stuff after horrible events like this latest school shooting. They comfort themselves with the idea that "God has a plan". Well, God gave us free will... so the idea that there is a plan kinda makes sense, to a degree. What about the mentally challenged socio-paths that commit crimes like this. Manson, Bundy, this ****tard who killed the beautiful and innocent little children. Can they have free will? They can't, in my opinion. They are ****ed in the head. They can't make rational decisions AT ALL. They don't understand consequences. Many of them lack morals.

    I just wonder because the idea of free will seems to get tossed out the window when it comes to these ****s... so, logically, that shoots a hole in the entire idea that there is ANY free will.

    What say you?
    Another clueless post from a person who doesn't understand the difference between mentally ill, psychotic or DD/AI and so forth. And from the tenure of the post does not want to. Just spouting his idiotic self absorb ideas about what happened.

    First the person was probably not mentally ill but Autistic (know the difference?)

    the rest of the post is so deep in horse**** I am surprised he made it out to post this crap. No clue at all just junk.

    I am DD (aspergers syndrome) and like 100% of my fellow Aspies I have morals (maybe more than some people), I have a high IQ (again common), I am a father and husband and was an environmental regulator for 21 years so so much for rational decisions and not understanding conseguences.

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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    It is everybody... but the point of this thread is to discuss those that commit criminal acts and how people justify God's Plan by grieving.
    Not it was intended to be a rant against things you do not understand and may not be able to. If it were asa you say you rant would not have contained so many assinine statements/.

    Gods Plan?
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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I don't think every psychopath acts on their violent impulses. There are plenty of people hanging on by their fingernails who choose not to give in to the impulses their sick minds suggest they do. I do think it's disingenuous to use a sick mind as proof (or no proof) of free will. They are anomalies.
    Again there is absolutely no proof (real) that this person was mentally ill or a psychopath. From all reports he was Autistic or do we equate Psychopath and sociopath with DD's now? ReallY?
    "Those who do not learn from history and condemned to relive it".

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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Do they have free will then? If they can't make a rational conscious choice then don't they lack free will?
    they can and do every day (AI/DD)
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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    Quote Originally Posted by TheLastIndependent View Post
    Their inability to make rational choices has no hold on their abilitiy to make their own choices. Insanity is no excuse. An insane murderer is still a murderer
    Was this person insane or just DD?
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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    I always thought that free will in a religious context means that we are not pre-destined in how we act or what happens to us.....
    IOW, our actions have a lot to say in how we get judged in the hereafter.

    That being said, I believe that Adam Lanza was as deranged as they come, but very skilled at hiding it...he was a ticking bomb for a long time.
    something was written about his being goth, and his getting together with like minded friends to play video games.
    Both seem indicative of emotional immaturity and failure to adapt to societal norms.
    garbage utter garbage
    "Those who do not learn from history and condemned to relive it".

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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Agreed. Insanity is not a valid excuse. I would argue that to murder somebody insanity is a requisite.
    Insanity is a legal term not a psychological one. It has not meaning outside a court of law.
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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    Quote Originally Posted by TheLastIndependent View Post
    I would have to disagree. A simple difference in brain structure can cause a person to be very hot tempered. Not very many people think when they are mad. Things happen. Still it is no excuse to be mad (by either definition)
    Agreed Finally
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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    I guess to defend my opinion, did this person have freewill to shoot his/her first victim? Was their not a climax to which he was driven too?

    I'm not condoning his actions.
    this is the real question not the other moronic stuff. A person with a low tolerance for stress or anxiety or emtional threshold does not have to be MI just a person like this. An autistic person such as this one would fall under this catagory. They are not psychotic or MI just DD (in this case) and they reactred to the intense emotion or stessor related impulse to do what they did.

    SOme of you are looking for a comforter to make this easy. There is not one. Its not linear nor is there a simple answer. It happened because. that is probably all we ever will really know.
    "Those who do not learn from history and condemned to relive it".

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