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Thread: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    My dog has free will. Tico uses his judgment makes choices and acts. Usually acceptably, but sometimes errors are made by him, me or both. My computer acts like it has free will, but I don't think it actually has free will. Its designers had free will, but many times didn't know the consequences of their decisions and designs. My 11 month old grandson has some free will but acts w/o understanding all the consequences of many of his actions. He is essentially learning about free will. When we understand the limitations of our judgment we can exorcise more detailed and deeper judgment and use it to guide our free will.

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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    According to science free will is an illusion and that everything is a result of cause and effect, action and reaction. Though since we can't see all those variables it appears to us as random choices. We may actually make unknowable (quantum like) decisions but they're based on a plethora of interacting forces of which we can't possibly be aware. And some of us don't have the mental capacity to make the best decisions due to defect, immaturity, lack of experience, knowledge and information. Even your basic criminal is not operating at a mentally effective level.

    Many people that are mentally ill don't have the facility to even imagine the crimes they'll commit without the outside input from other sources, like entertainment (Joker). It's not an easy fix and part of a larger social issue, that includes indifference.
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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    According to science free will is an illusion and that everything is a result of cause and effect, action and reaction. ....
    What science are you referring to exactly. Thanks.

    There is science that informs us that the chances of a certain particle disintegrating into other mater and energy are a certain percentage of over a certain time. No action and reaction needed.

    sorry for the late edit.
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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    I think that depends what you would classify as mentally challenged, because in my opinion there are varying degrees of it...

    Either way, I think that it's a bit bigoted to say that they have no free will. My opinion is that they have free will, it's just harder to come to a decision, or maybe they're more impulsive due to their disability.
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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    I’m mentally challenged. Everyone can describe a mental ability that would exceed what they have. I have several areas that could use significant improvement.

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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    How and why?

    Staying away from the "all actions are cause effect and therefore determined" line of logic, this was a random act of evil. If it could have been predicted, as in a bus arriving in the morning, then it cold have been prevented. It was the result of an individual making bad choices and causing bad things.

    I have been taken by the number of instances when acts that are just plain evil seem to be occurring with increasing frequency in our globalized village. Watching the first 15 minutes of any news cast in any larger city is just depressing.

    The folks who settled our country were very superstitious and this seems to stand in contrast to the Age of Reason and so on. It could be that in their villages, they were aware of seemingly normal people who suddenly did things that were just evil. Lizzy Borden types of things. Our current comparative anonymity, like this posting forum as an example, insulates us from this kind of craziness.

    It could be that the superstitions they clung to were simply the best explanation of what they were seeing.

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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    Of course they have free will. Everyone does. They may be working with a different set of perceptions and urges, but they still have free choice whether or not to act on them.
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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post

    What say you?
    It depends on the degree of consciousness. The less cerebral brain matter a being has, the less free will it has. That being said, even a dog has a certain amount of free will and everyone but God can be said to be "mentally challenged" to some degree or another. Thus, being "mentally challenged" should not excuse us from immoral choices or immoral actions. In regards to the CT massacre, Lanza certainly was exercising some degree of free will and conscious choice, even if he was "mentally challenged."

    Of course, the real question in regards to criminal culpability should be "What degree of threat does the guilty party pose to society, regardless of his state of mental health or mental capacity?"
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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Of course they have free will. Everyone does. They may be working with a different set of perceptions and urges, but they still have free choice whether or not to act on them.
    -A choice to act on urges that was/is influenced by environmental and genetic influences beyond the person's control.

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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    What science are you referring to exactly. Thanks.

    There is science that informs us that the chances of a certain particle disintegrating into other mater and energy are a certain percentage of over a certain time. No action and reaction needed.

    sorry for the late edit.
    Causality (physics) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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