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Thread: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Excuse for what? I would say that certain types of "insanity" certainly excuse people from bearing the total responsibility of their behavior - murder or not.
    Then they should be removed from society if they cannot be expected to live by its rules.
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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I think it's clear that "they" do, in the broad sense. That's what I meant when I said that there are most likely plenty of psychopaths who are able to resist acting on the things their sick minds suggest they do.
    Ahhh... OK. That makes sense. Thanks for the clarification, Mags.
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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    They have free will, but they lack foresight, sufficient empathy, and self-control, so there is a struggle at play, internally.
    That is a really good explaination lizzie... thanks. I think you just changed my mind.
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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    Quote Originally Posted by TheLastIndependent View Post
    Then they should be removed from society if they cannot be expected to live by its rules.
    I agree, but that's not what I was commenting on. I was contesting your assertion that "insanity is no excuse." Do you concede that this is incorrect or do you stand by that assertion? If you still stand by it, why?

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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    Free will doesn't exist- that is, "free" will apart from all other influences. It's not possible.

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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    I guess to defend my opinion, did this person have freewill to shoot his/her first victim? Was their not a climax to which he was driven too?

    I'm not condoning his actions.
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I agree, but that's not what I was commenting on. I was contesting your assertion that "insanity is no excuse." Do you concede that this is incorrect or do you stand by that assertion? If you still stand by it, why?
    I claim that it is no excuse because I don't think that there is any valid reason to excuse a person from murder. Literally.
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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    Quote Originally Posted by Evenstar View Post
    Free will doesn't exist- that is, "free" will apart from all other influences. It's not possible.
    Exactly. In order to be entirely "free", the will would have to exist in a vacuum. It does not and therefore how we use our "will" is, in great part, the result of many influences.

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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I agree, but that's not what I was commenting on. I was contesting your assertion that "insanity is no excuse." Do you concede that this is incorrect or do you stand by that assertion? If you still stand by it, why?
    I stand by it. There is nothing that drives them to make that choice but themselves. There are much better solutions to removing them from society, but that still doesn't change the fact that they chose to do it. There needs to be better and earlier screening to find psychological abnormalities.

    You did not state this but it needs to be stated. Violence on television is not a factor. I have watched violence for years, I play video games from time to time, I do not go out and shoot people for fun. There is a distinction between reality and fantasy.
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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I agree, but that's not what I was commenting on. I was contesting your assertion that "insanity is no excuse." Do you concede that this is incorrect or do you stand by that assertion? If you still stand by it, why?
    I pretty strongly agree that in the vast majority of cases, insanity is not excuse. Most of us are taught, as young children, a basic set of morals and codes of conduct. Those are some of our earliest learning experiences, and childhood teaching stays with us, even if it is somewhat repressed in the individual. You can repress, but you cannot de-program completely, at least not without extreme circumstances and outside pressure.
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