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Thread: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    Insane is a legal term with no analytical or psychiatric meaning.
    Again... that is why I am using it AS A LEGAL TERM.

    A low to mid functioning Autistic does not operate on your level. There processes are beyond most peoples understanding. He did what he did to deal with whatever "ghosts" he was plagued with. he may not have seen his actions as wrong in his mind (autistic people do not see others as people) this is not mental illness it just the way it is.

    The mom thing from what I understand was a rage reaction. he probably had no plan but was simply a prisoner of his emotional state at the time, this is quite common. I think Lizzie gave the best explanation as to the rest of it.
    My nephew is autistic and I am a teacher who teaches some low level autistic kids as well as quite a few with Asperger's
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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    I think that the existence of psychopathy disproves the Christian God, because that would mean God would be expecting someone incapable of moral reasoning to morally reason.
    This is where I was going with my OP. Thanks...
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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Again... that is why I am using it AS A LEGAL TERM.



    My nephew is autistic and I am a teacher who teaches some low level autistic kids as well as quite a few with Asperger's
    Let me guess somewhere in the south or Arizona right?
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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    Yes, they have free will, BUT their judgment and ability to make good decisions are impaired. So the decisions they make are equally impaired.
    This would be my take on the Christian's that accept this horrors as an act of God or part of God's Plan... Thanks.
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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    Let me guess somewhere in the south or Arizona right?
    The South should be capitalized and not even close...
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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    The South should be capitalized and not even close...
    No the south should not be not in my opinion. and I have no idea where you are but I still hold to my opinion
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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    No the south should not be not in my opinion. and I have no idea where you are but I still hold to my opinion
    If you were going south it would not be capitilized but the South. It is a proper noun. C'mon IQ, I am not even an English teacher.

    capitalized : regions or countries lying to the south of a specified or implied point of orientation; especially : the Southeastern part of the United States

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    ...and hold your opinion to what? That I live in Arizona or the South? I don't even live in the USA and when I did it was in California and Oregon.
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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Making a choice and accepting you could have made the one not taken.

    I presume by your definition that you believe no one has free will?
    If taken literally, free will is making a choice independent of outside influences. That, of course, isn't possible. All decisions are made as a result of actions or events which influences said choice. That is not to say people are not responsible for making the choices they make. But it does explain bad decisions as well as the evil in this world. Morals are circumstantial. Anyone of us, if in specific circumstances, can and would commit unspeakable evil. Or even acts of heroism- but no decision is made free of outside influence.

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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    Quote Originally Posted by Evenstar View Post
    If taken literally, free will is making a choice independent of outside influences. That, of course, isn't possible. All decisions are made as a result of actions or events which influences said choice. That is not to say people are not responsible for making the choices they make. But it does explain bad decisions as well as the evil in this world. Morals are circumstantial. Anyone of us, if in specific circumstances, can and would commit unspeakable evil. Or even acts of heroism- but no decision is made free of outside influence.
    Interesting take. I was watching the Adjustment Bureau this morning and that was interesting as well...
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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    Quote Originally Posted by Evenstar View Post
    If taken literally, free will is making a choice independent of outside influences. That, of course, isn't possible. All decisions are made as a result of actions or events which influences said choice. That is not to say people are not responsible for making the choices they make. But it does explain bad decisions as well as the evil in this world. Morals are circumstantial. Anyone of us, if in specific circumstances, can and would commit unspeakable evil. Or even acts of heroism- but no decision is made free of outside influence.
    So there is no free will for anyone. You just said what I said, but your definition is different.

    Shrug. I guess it's possible the physical laws of the universe dictate that all the atoms and molecules are destined to interact in a certain way and as a function of that, no matter what illusions we have, we're subject at the core to their activities.

    It's a convincing position, but since the context of the thread is to question if the mentally challenged are somehow less able to exercise free will I don't think it advances anything.

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