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Thread: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    Quote Originally Posted by Evenstar View Post
    Exactly. It's about a lack of control. And it's about being disconnected from others. People need to feel like they are connected in someway to those around them. If they feel belittled, unappreciated or unimportant, or worse still - bullied, they usually lash out. Sometimes suicide is so terrifying to some that they have to kill others first in order to push themselves over the edge. It's selfish and horrible, but isolation does that to people.
    I don't think it is selfish in reality. Desperate? Yeah. As for isolation doing that to people, it does if they don't have a well-developed sense of self, which is unreliant on the opinions and support of others, but this doesn't usually happen until later in life. With a kid, and with a portion of adults, I think that is completely true.
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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I don't think it is selfish in reality. Desperate? Yeah. As for isolation doing that to people, it does if they don't have a well-developed sense of self, which is unreliant on the opinions and support of others, but this doesn't usually happen until later in life. With a kid, and with a portion of adults, I think that is completely true.
    The introverted person (not a sociopath necessarily) spends a great deal of time thinking about him/herself in relation to others, and often times it is then that they realize that others either don't understand them or don't care. A trigger can be a "confirmation" of this thought process.

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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Nope, I don't believe that for a minute.
    Then you are poorly informed or selectively niave.
    "Those who do not learn from history and condemned to relive it".

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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    Then you are poorly informed or selectively niave.
    Neither.
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    If you set a man on fire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post

    The suicide rate for DD people is 3x the NT population. WHy? three guesses.
    I only need one guess: They are DD people. (Duh?)

    Life is hard enough without disabilities. It would be strange if the disabled did not have a higher suicide rate than people without disabilities. (Think before you post!)
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    Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    Everyone has free will. Biopsychosocial circumstances makes certain choices harder for people, but they still have a choice in their actions.

    The OCD individual may have a compulsion that no one else understands, but they still choose to act on the impulse.

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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Everyone has free will. Biopsychosocial circumstances makes certain choices harder for people, but they still have a choice in their actions.

    The OCD individual may have a compulsion that no one else understands, but they still choose to act on the impulse.
    What makes them choose? What is the basis for their decisions?

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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    I only need one guess: They are DD people. (Duh?)

    Life is hard enough without disabilities. It would be strange if the disabled did not have a higher suicide rate than people without disabilities. (Think before you post!)
    It must be an epidemic. You missed my point entirely. If you read my post entirely you might have gotten it but you didn't even read the blip you clipped it says DD people. DUH
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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    Quote Originally Posted by Evenstar View Post
    What makes them choose? What is the basis for their decisions?
    The answer is in what you're quoting.

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    Re: Do The Mentally Challenged Have Free Will??

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    The answer is in what you're quoting.
    No. What is it that makes a person choose to react a certain way to his or her circumstances?

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