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  • A semi-automatic rifle with two or more of the features in the Brady bill.(see OP post)

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  • A rifle that will keep firing bullets as long as you hold down the trigger.

    117 71.78%
  • A rifle that will fire 3 bullet every time you squeeze the trigger.

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    Re: What is an assault rifle?

    To me, "Assault Rifle" is simply a political term created and used by the anti-gun crowd.

    Heck, just look at what California considers to be an "Assault Rifle":

    (1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following: (A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
    (B) A thumbhole stock.
    (C) A folding or telescoping stock.
    (D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
    (E) A flash suppressor.
    (F) A forward pistol grip.

    (2) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
    (3) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches [762 mm].
    (4) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following: (A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.
    (B) A second handgrip.
    (C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning his or her hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.
    (D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.

    (5) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
    (6) A semiautomatic shotgun that has both of the following: (A) A folding or telescoping stock.
    (B) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, thumbhole stock, or vertical handgrip.

    (7) A semiautomatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine.
    (8) Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
    I mean, that is just insane! Come on, a Grenade Launcher? I think in that case I would be much more worried about the grenades being launched then the rifle itself. Flash Suppressor? I had one on my last rifle, I got tired of getting dirt kicked up in my face when I was practicing in the prone position. How does one of those make a weapon more dangerous or deadly?

    At least they finally doprred "Bayonet Lug" from the list. That was something that really had me scratching my head. Are we worried about people being shot, or being stabbed by really clumsy spears? In all the years I have been hearing of such shootings, I can honestly say I have never heard of one where victims were stabbed by bayonets.

    This entire list (and most like it) are simply insane. 98% of the items listed are purely cosmetic, and have absolutely nothing to do with how deadly the weapon is. And notice, it says nothing about Automatic Fire, or the type of rounds being used (other then they be center fire rounds).

    Heck, if I had the money and wanted to get around all of these requirements, I would just invent a .30 calibre rim fire round, and start selling AR15 copies that used this round. Since it is rimfire, it is exempt from almost all "assault rifle" bans.
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    Re: What is an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    To me, "Assault Rifle" is simply a political term created and used by the anti-gun crowd.

    Heck, just look at what California considers to be an "Assault Rifle":



    I mean, that is just insane! Come on, a Grenade Launcher? I think in that case I would be much more worried about the grenades being launched then the rifle itself. Flash Suppressor? I had one on my last rifle, I got tired of getting dirt kicked up in my face when I was practicing in the prone position. How does one of those make a weapon more dangerous or deadly?

    At least they finally doprred "Bayonet Lug" from the list. That was something that really had me scratching my head. Are we worried about people being shot, or being stabbed by really clumsy spears? In all the years I have been hearing of such shootings, I can honestly say I have never heard of one where victims were stabbed by bayonets.

    This entire list (and most like it) are simply insane. 98% of the items listed are purely cosmetic, and have absolutely nothing to do with how deadly the weapon is. And notice, it says nothing about Automatic Fire, or the type of rounds being used (other then they be center fire rounds).

    Heck, if I had the money and wanted to get around all of these requirements, I would just invent a .30 calibre rim fire round, and start selling AR15 copies that used this round. Since it is rimfire, it is exempt from almost all "assault rifle" bans.
    really dude?.. you think it's all a bunch of BS?... havent you heard about all those killings that took place because of thumbhole stocks?

    my oh my, those thumbholes in stocks are frickin eviiiiiiiiil!.. only satan or hitler would approve of thumbholes.... the absence of material in the stock is just downright frightening to even think about <shutters>

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    Re: What is an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    really dude?.. you think it's all a bunch of BS?... havent you heard about all those killings that took place because of thumbhole stocks?

    my oh my, those thumbholes in stocks are frickin eviiiiiiiiil!.. only satan or hitler would approve of thumbholes.... the absence of material in the stock is just downright frightening to even think about <shutters>
    I myself hate the "Assault Rifle Bans", because I have seen how they can be used and abused.

    about 25 years ago, I bought a Ruger 10/22. And deciding to use it as an inexpensive way to practice my chooting, I fitted it out with an almost exact copy of an M-16 frame. Pistol grip, carrying handle, 30 round magazine, folding stock (that was just how it came), and I added a flash suppressor for the reason I stated earlier (to keep dirt out of my face). However, by doing so I put on multiple items that made this cosmetically an "assault rifle".

    Then in 1991, this rifle was stollen. It was later recovered, and I went to the police station to pick it up. I was told they do not return weapons recovered, and I threatened to take them to court if they did not return it, policy or no policy. Now at this time, I did not know all the rules about the new assault-rifle ban. But I was shown a piece of paper, and the cop showed how many features on my weapon made it an "Assault Rifle". And that if I pressed them any more, they were going to arrest and prosecute me for illegally bringing an assault rifle into the state of California.

    later on I found out that was not true, but it is besides the point. Why would some slight modifications to a weapon that are all cosmetic make it any more deadly then another unmodified rifle?
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    Re: What is an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    I myself hate the "Assault Rifle Bans", because I have seen how they can be used and abused.

    about 25 years ago, I bought a Ruger 10/22. And deciding to use it as an inexpensive way to practice my chooting, I fitted it out with an almost exact copy of an M-16 frame. Pistol grip, carrying handle, 30 round magazine, folding stock (that was just how it came), and I added a flash suppressor for the reason I stated earlier (to keep dirt out of my face). However, by doing so I put on multiple items that made this cosmetically an "assault rifle".

    Then in 1991, this rifle was stollen. It was later recovered, and I went to the police station to pick it up. I was told they do not return weapons recovered, and I threatened to take them to court if they did not return it, policy or no policy. Now at this time, I did not know all the rules about the new assault-rifle ban. But I was shown a piece of paper, and the cop showed how many features on my weapon made it an "Assault Rifle". And that if I pressed them any more, they were going to arrest and prosecute me for illegally bringing an assault rifle into the state of California.

    later on I found out that was not true, but it is besides the point. Why would some slight modifications to a weapon that are all cosmetic make it any more deadly then another unmodified rifle?
    ugh... sorry to hear you had to find out the AWB was a fraud the hard way.....

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    Re: What is an assault rifle?

    I don't really know what the technical definition is. I generally apply the term to a military standard-issue rifle that may be automatic or semi-automatic, or to civilian-legal versions of such rifles. Classic examples are the AK and AR pattern rifles.
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    Re: What is an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I don't really know what the technical definition is. I generally apply the term to a military standard-issue rifle that may be automatic or semi-automatic, or to civilian-legal versions of such rifles. Classic examples are the AK and AR pattern rifles.
    But this is laughingly vague.

    What if I take a non-military rifle, and then mount it in an M-16 stock? It is not an M-16, it just looks like one. SO why is it suddenly an "assault rifle", just because I made some cosmetic changes?

    Heck, I can get a conversion kit to take an old VW Beatle, and make it look exactly like a Humvee.



    But guess what, it's still not a Hummer, it's just a tricked up Volkswagen. And that is basically what we are talking about here. The laws (and public perception) have nothing to do with reality, only with appearance.

    I mean, tell me. What is the reall difference between this:



    And this:



    Other then one has a bunch of rather pointless attachments that do not really make the gun any more deadly.

    I got a great idea, let's mandate all "Assault Rifles" look like this:



    And yes, that is a fully functional semi-automatic AK-47. And it can be yours, for only $1,072.95.

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    And they have many other great items, like Care Bear body armor, and a "My Little Carbine", their take on the classic M-16 style.



    If you ask me, these are to cute to ever be considered "Assault Rifles".
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    Re: What is an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    But this is laughingly vague.
    Oh sure it is. It's definitely a vague term, aimed more at the looks of a gun than the function of it. I don't support assault weapon bans, I was just pointing out my definition of assault weapon.
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    Re: What is an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Not really. I agree with him. Who cares what an "assault rifle" is? Automatic. Semi-Auto. Machine gun. ??? Who cares but people that like guns? And their purpose IS to kill people. Just facts.


    Willfully ignoring relevant facts is not an appealing or logical way to assess an issue.

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    Re: What is an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Willfully ignoring relevant facts is not an appealing or logical way to assess an issue.
    Am I ignoring a fact and if so what one? I am nothing if not open to learn.
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    Re: What is an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Am I ignoring a fact and if so what one? I am nothing if not open to learn.
    If you're dismissing the difference between semi-auto and full auto, you are certainly ignoring relevant facts.


    Full auto lends itself readily to spraying large numbers of bullets around nearly at random.

    Semi-auto, not so much.

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