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  • Any semi-automatic rifle (fires one shot every time the trigger is pulled)

    14 8.59%
  • A semi-automatic rifle with two or more of the features in the Brady bill.(see OP post)

    17 10.43%
  • A rifle that will keep firing bullets as long as you hold down the trigger.

    117 71.78%
  • A rifle that will fire 3 bullet every time you squeeze the trigger.

    51 31.29%
  • I do not know.

    16 9.82%
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    Re: What is an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    If those were the only type of handguns available, then you could make the argument that people's "rights" to handguns were being infringed.

    As Conservative Justice Scalia noted in that decision: "Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited," that it is "not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever"
    Feinstein presses for assault weapons ban - SFGate
    still stuck on dicta I see

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    Re: What is an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    still stuck on dicta I see
    If that is your code word for the facts.
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    Re: What is an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    If that is your code word for the facts.
    you merely demonstrate you don't understand much about supreme court rulings

    and that is a fact

    registration was not an issue before the USSC

    in the LOPEZ decision the USSC struck down a guns near schools law based on the tenth amendment and because the nexus with "interstate commerce" was too thin. AJ Thomas noted that if the appeal had been brought under the second amendment the law may well have been stricken on that grounds as well

    BUT SINCE IT WAS NOT, that too was DICTA

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    Re: What is an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you merely demonstrate you don't understand much about supreme court rulings

    and that is a fact

    registration was not an issue before the USSC

    in the LOPEZ decision the USSC struck down a guns near schools law based on the tenth amendment and because the nexus with "interstate commerce" was too thin. AJ Thomas noted that if the appeal had been brought under the second amendment the law may well have been stricken on that grounds as well

    BUT SINCE IT WAS NOT, that too was DICTA


    That has absolutely nothing to do with the post I responded to, or my comments.
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    Re: What is an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    ...As Conservative Justice Scalia noted in that decision: "Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited," that it is "not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever"
    Feinstein presses for assault weapons ban - SFGate
    I believe you (and your link) took Scalia's comments out of context. The full text (references omitted for brevity):

    Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited. From Blackstone through the 19th-century cases, commentators and courts routinely explained that the right was not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose...For example, the majority of the 19th-century courts to consider the question held that prohibitions on carrying concealed weapons were lawful under the Second Amendment or state analogues....Although we do not undertake an exhaustive historical analysis today of the full scope of the Second Amendment , nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.
    DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA v. HELLER

    Considering his opinion in the totality of this portion his 'unlimited' reference was in regards to felons, mentally ill, sensitive places (schools, etc.). His opinion contains NO reference as to the type weapon ('arm'), especially assault rifle, as it relates to the second amendment.


    ...try again.
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    Re: What is an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    That has absolutely nothing to do with the post I responded to, or my comments.
    you are not being truthful

    you are trying to suggest that bans on commonly owned semi auto rifles (more than a million of which were distributed to citizens through the DEPT of civilian marksmanship before it became a private enterprise) would be upheld by the Heller court

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    Re: What is an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    I believe you (and your link) took Scalia's comments out of context. The full text (references omitted for brevity):


    DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA v. HELLER

    Considering his opinion in the totality of this portion his 'unlimited' reference was in regards to felons, mentally ill, sensitive places (schools, etc.). His opinion contains NO reference as to the type weapon ('arm'), especially assault rifle, as it relates to the second amendment.


    ...try again.
    Nope, you have referenced some other quote. Here is Scalia's quote that I referenced word for word, "Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited," that it is "not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever"
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    Re: What is an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are not being truthful

    you are trying to suggest that bans on commonly owned semi auto rifles (more than a million of which were distributed to citizens through the DEPT of civilian marksmanship before it became a private enterprise) would be upheld by the Heller court
    I am suggesting no such thing, I am merely quoting what Scalia's opinion was, that he doesn't believe the 2nd Amendment applies to "any weapon whatsoever".
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    Re: What is an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Nope, you have referenced some other quote. Here is Scalia's quote that I referenced word for word, "Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited," that it is "not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever"
    Did you not read the first sentance that I quoted from the opinion? Or maybe you can find the portion that you referenced specifically as I provided the link...or you could merely stand by your current 'no it's not' position. I found this section quite relevent to the thread:

    It may be objected that if weapons that are most useful in military service—M-16 rifles and the like—may be banned, then the Second Amendment right is completely detached from the prefatory clause. But as we have said, the conception of the militia at the time of the Second Amendment ’s ratification was the body of all citizens capable of military service, who would bring the sorts of lawful weapons that they possessed at home to militia duty. It may well be true today that a militia, to be as effective as militias in the 18th century, would require sophisticated arms that are highly unusual in society at large. Indeed, it may be true that no amount of small arms could be useful against modern-day bombers and tanks. But the fact that modern developments have limited the degree of fit between the prefatory clause and the protected right cannot change our interpretation of the right.
    Given the current debate about 'assault weapons' the SCOTUS seems to have affirmed the 'militias' right to 'possess at home' weapons 'to be as effective as militias in the 18th century, would require sophisticated arms that are highly unusual in society at large'...of course you can interpret it as you will...
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    Re: What is an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Did you not read the first sentance that I quoted from the opinion?

    Yes, I read your sentence which did not match the quote I referenced.
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