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  • Any semi-automatic rifle (fires one shot every time the trigger is pulled)

    14 8.59%
  • A semi-automatic rifle with two or more of the features in the Brady bill.(see OP post)

    17 10.43%
  • A rifle that will keep firing bullets as long as you hold down the trigger.

    117 71.78%
  • A rifle that will fire 3 bullet every time you squeeze the trigger.

    51 31.29%
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    Re: What is an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    Of course not! Funny, how "Free Speach" and "Freedom of the Press" have all adapted over time to include Radio, Television, and the Internet. Technologies that in no way were anticipated when the Constitution was written.

    But in this instance, the Constitution obviously does not apply. It only covers what were "guns" when it was written, and nothing else.

    Funny how some people think, how it adapts only for things they believe in, but is locked for things they do not.
    Yes, I figured that's why they wouldn't answer and instead tried to argue that the "well regulated militia" clause meant that the 2nd amendment somehow becomes "Oh well the government can have an army if it likes to, and it can give them guns, if it wants," even though it says explicitly "the right of the people... shall not be infringed."
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    Re: What is an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    One word...AMMO. The military spec .223 bullet the AR-15 used is especially designed to turn it's victims insides into hamburger. It's a killing machine with no recreational use.
    Ohh, so that ammunition is never used for hunting?

    And by these definitions, an AK-47 is not an assault rifle, and neither is an M-1, an M-14, or a great many other things.

    Great, let me buy those then, since they are not assault rifles.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    This is why the ban is proposed for assault weapons:

    They have a shorter barrel for easy maneuvering in tight spaces, are more accurate, are more powerful ballistically, and they are capable of killing large numbers of without reloading. That is why they are the gun of choice for gangs in the US and Mexico, and to more and more of the mentally deranged.
    They do? I never considered the M-1 as a "short weapon", but it is an assault rifle.

    And sorry, the weapon of choice is either pistols, or sub-machine guns. Not Assault Rifles.

    The Uzi? MAC-10? MAC-11? Thompson? TEC-9? Those are not "Assault Rifles" at all, but sub-machineguns. A very different type of weapon, these all fire conventional pistol rounds, normally the 9mm or .45.

    So once again, what is the definition? Because every time somebody gives up a definition here, it leaves out a tun of other weapons that it does not apply to.
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    Re: What is an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    Yes, I figured that's why they wouldn't answer and instead tried to argue that the "well regulated militia" clause meant that the 2nd amendment somehow becomes "Oh well the government can have an army if it likes to, and it can give them guns, if it wants," even though it says explicitly "the right of the people... shall not be infringed."
    Funny, how many of those who scream to love Thomas Jefferson in some things, ignore him in others.

    It is more a subject of joy [than of regret] that we have so few of the desperate characters which compose modern regular armies. But it proves more forcibly the necessity of obliging every citizen to be a soldier; this was the case with the Greeks and Romans and must be that of every free State. Where there is no oppression there can be no pauper hirelings.
    [The] governor [is] constitutionally the commander of the militia of the State, that is to say, of every man in it able to bear arms.
    Uncertain as we must ever be of the particular point in our circumference where an enemy may choose to invade us, the only force which can be ready at every point and competent to oppose them, is the body of neighboring citizens as formed into a militia. On these, collected from the parts most convenient, in numbers proportioned to the invading foe, it is best to rely, not only to meet the first attack, but if it threatens to be permanent, to maintain the defence until regulars may be engaged to relieve them.
    We must train and classify the whole of our male citizens, and make military instruction a regular part of collegiate education. We can never be safe till this is done.
    One loves to possess arms, though they hope never to have occasion for them.
    A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives a moderate exercise to the Body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind . . . Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks.
    And of course, one of my absolute favorites:

    Laws that forbid the carrying of arms . . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes . . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.
    And yes, these were all written by Thomas Jefferson, one of the most intellectual of the Founding Fathers. A man deeply involved in the founding of this country, and it's form of government.

    Now is anybody going to stand up in here and tell one of the founding fathers he did not know what he was talking about? Seems pretty clear to me.
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    Re: What is an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    Ohh, so that ammunition is never used for hunting?

    And by these definitions, an AK-47 is not an assault rifle, and neither is an M-1, an M-14, or a great many other things.

    Great, let me buy those then, since they are not assault rifles.

    They do? I never considered the M-1 as a "short weapon", but it is an assault rifle.

    And sorry, the weapon of choice is either pistols, or sub-machine guns. Not Assault Rifles.

    The Uzi? MAC-10? MAC-11? Thompson? TEC-9? Those are not "Assault Rifles" at all, but sub-machineguns. A very different type of weapon, these all fire conventional pistol rounds, normally the 9mm or .45.

    So once again, what is the definition? Because every time somebody gives up a definition here, it leaves out a tun of other weapons that it does not apply to.

    "Assault weapons are routinely the weapons of choice for gang members and drug dealers. They are regularly encountered in drug busts and are all too often used against our officers. In fact, one in five law enforcement officers slain in the line of duty between January 1, 1998, and December 31, 2001, was killed with an assault weapon, according to "Officer Down," a report from the Violence Policy Center. The weapons in question—including the Colt AR-15, a semiautomatic version of the M-16 machine gun used by our armed forces, the Uzi, and the Tec-9 pistol, whose manufacturer's advertisements hailed its "fingerprint-resistant" finish—have been used in countless murders such as the Stockton schoolyard and Columbine High School shootings.

    Opponents of the assault weapons ban often argue that the ban only outlawed certain weapons because of their "cosmetic features" and not because they are inherently more dangerous than other weapons. This is simply not true." - Police Chief Joseph M. Polisar

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    Re: What is an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    Well, I am. SO am I allowed to have an Assault Rifle now?
    In what well regulated militia are you actively serving?
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    Re: What is an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    This is why the ban is proposed for assault weapons:

    They have a shorter barrel for easy maneuvering in tight spaces, are more accurate, are more powerful ballistically, and they are capable of killing large numbers of without reloading. That is why they are the gun of choice for gangs in the US and Mexico, and to more and more of the mentally deranged.
    Laughably false. Shorter barreled weapons are not "more accurate" what happens is that they have a "tumble effect" the longer a bullet travels down a barrel the longer it keeps a tight flight pattern, as well tighter v. looser rifling determines how tight the original path will be, longer barreled rifles are better at any range BUT if there is a need for mid range capabilities like say...........being charged by a coyote or other aggressive medium sized predator the longer rifle may have setbacks such as being able to swing around relatively quickly. Assault rifles (select fire not semi automatic) are dubbed so because they are good for either assaulting in tight quarters OR if one finds themself under assault, mid-range to close quarters combat.

    Finally, the .223 is not a large round, it's considered an "intermediate cartridge" and is really just a flared out .22 round with a hotter load than your standard .22 caliber rifle. The reason there is tearing and bouncing about on contact is twofold the tumble effect I mentioned earlier and basic physics the .22 round and it's variants are small, not as dense as larger rounds and have a high velocity, upon impact they do not transfer as much of their force through target at initial impact and don't tend to break bones, so if it hits bone it bounces around and continues to tumble through the target. Because the bullet has not transferred as much energy on initial impact it continues to fly around rather than punching it's energy through mass. This is why the .223 does what it does.

    Educate yourself further on the subject before you issue more incorrect statements about firearms.
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    Re: What is an assault rifle?

    Perhaps we need to clarify what an assault RIFLE as opposed to an assault WEAPON means. My understanding is that an assault rifle is capable of automatic or burst fire, with a detachable magazine, firing an intermediate cartridge, and is generally issued to armed forces.
    An assault weapon is something slightly less effective as a killing machine, but with the features pictured in James' confused OP.
    Many assault weapons such as the Bushmaster, come in different configurations depending of which state's restrictions you wish to avoid.
    Last edited by Manc Skipper; 12-20-12 at 02:57 PM.
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    Re: What is an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    In what well regulated militia are you actively serving?
    All males 18-45 capable of military service are considered the milita. Militia service is not compelled for the right to keep and bear arms to not be infringed.
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    Re: What is an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Laughably false. Shorter barreled weapons are not "more accurate" what happens is that they have a "tumble effect" the longer a bullet travels down a barrel the longer it keeps a tight flight pattern, as well tighter v. looser rifling determines how tight the original path will be, longer barreled rifles are better at any range BUT if there is a need for mid range capabilities like say...........being charged by a coyote or other aggressive medium sized predator the longer rifle may have setbacks such as being able to swing around relatively quickly. Assault rifles (select fire not semi automatic) are dubbed so because they are good for either assaulting in tight quarters OR if one finds themself under assault, mid-range to close quarters combat.

    Finally, the .223 is not a large round, it's considered an "intermediate cartridge" and is really just a flared out .22 round with a hotter load than your standard .22 caliber rifle. The reason there is tearing and bouncing about on contact is twofold the tumble effect I mentioned earlier and basic physics the .22 round and it's variants are small, not as dense as larger rounds and have a high velocity, upon impact they do not transfer as much of their force through target at initial impact and don't tend to break bones, so if it hits bone it bounces around and continues to tumble through the target. Because the bullet has not transferred as much energy on initial impact it continues to fly around rather than punching it's energy through mass. This is why the .223 does what it does.

    Educate yourself further on the subject before you issue more incorrect statements about firearms.

    Yeah, I don't see how those kids would be any less dead if they were hit with an 06 round instead.
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    Re: What is an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Perhaps we need to clarify what an assault RIFLE as opposed to an assault WEAPON means. My understanding is that an assault rifle is capable of automatic or burst fire, and is generally issued to armed forces. An assault weapon is something slightly less effective as a killing machine, but with the features pictured in James' confused OP.
    Mnay Assault weapons such as the Bushmaster, come in different configurations depending of which state's restrictions you wish to avoid.
    There is no such thing as an assault weapon, it's a created term by legislators that means nothing. The catagories of gun are; pisol, shotgun, rifle, machine gun, sub-machine gun. Sub catagories are revolver(pistol), bolt-action, semi-automatic(one trigger pull, one round fired), automatic(loading mechanism), burst fire(3x rounds per trigger pull), fully automatic(fires until trigger release).

    Pistols - Handheld firearms
    shotguns - typically smooth bore, ported for shells, fire in a spread pattern. Some rifled barrels exist to fire slugs which are the shotgun equivalents to bullets
    Rifle - medium to long barreled rifled weapons, rifling is the pattern grooved in which the bullet's flight path will be directed.
    LMG or Light Machine Gun - Large belt fed full autos capable of being handled with or without tripod
    Machine gun - crew served mounted fully automatic
    Sub-Machine gun - Full auto that fires pistol ammo, larger than a machine pisol but shorter than a fully automatic rifle.
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