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  • Any semi-automatic rifle (fires one shot every time the trigger is pulled)

    14 8.59%
  • A semi-automatic rifle with two or more of the features in the Brady bill.(see OP post)

    17 10.43%
  • A rifle that will keep firing bullets as long as you hold down the trigger.

    117 71.78%
  • A rifle that will fire 3 bullet every time you squeeze the trigger.

    51 31.29%
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    Re: What is an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The real question should be what are Assault Weapons, as that is what is being used in most of the massacres in the US and Mexico.

    Gun owners have said for years there is nothing except cosmetic differences between assault weapons and other guns legally available, until the country decides that they should maybe not sell the gun of choice by massacre lovers everywhere. The gun fanatics now say that taking away these particular guns (with only cosmetic differences they have maintained) is some kind of hardship.

    Anyone else see the irony in their new position?
    murders, mass or single, are rarely committed with "assault weapons"
    such was the case when the 1st AWB was enacted.. such is still the case today.

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    Re: What is an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Would you call the type of weapon that Adam used an "assault weapon"? I haven't seen a picture of the gun that he used and even if I did I wouldn't call it "scary" because I"ve been conditioned to seeing those types of weapons on TV and in movies and from gun righty's themselves.

    I don't consider using the correct verbage to be more important than the kind of damage a particular gun can do. Most us without gun knowledge get our information from the media. But when we talk to gun righty's about guns we get nothing but insults and ridicule for not using correct terms. It creates a barrier to communication, which I kinda think is intentional to divert the issue away from real concerns that people have with guns.
    he used a sporting rifle... and had a pair of semi auto handguns as back up.

    the primary reason folks are ridiculed for using improper terminology is because the conversation is usually about banning this or that.. restricting this or that.

    in a normal conversation about guns, incorrect terminology will usually just be corrected and explained... but when the convo is about bans or restrictions... yeah... ridicule is sure to follow.


    the media, in general, are friggin dolts when it comes to firearms... it is the exact wrong place to get information from.

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    Re: What is an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Would you call the type of weapon that Adam used an "assault weapon"? I haven't seen a picture of the gun that he used and even if I did I wouldn't call it "scary" because I"ve been conditioned to seeing those types of weapons on TV and in movies and from gun righty's themselves.

    I don't consider using the correct verbage to be more important than the kind of damage a particular gun can do. Most us without gun knowledge get our information from the media. But when we talk to gun righty's about guns we get nothing but insults and ridicule for not using correct terms. It creates a barrier to communication, which I kinda think is intentional to divert the issue away from real concerns that people have with guns.
    If you are going to scream for something to be banned then shouldn't you actually know what it is you are calling to be banned?
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    Re: What is an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Would you call the type of weapon that Adam used an "assault weapon"? I haven't seen a picture of the gun that he used and even if I did I wouldn't call it "scary" because I"ve been conditioned to seeing those types of weapons on TV and in movies and from gun righty's themselves.

    I don't consider using the correct verbage to be more important than the kind of damage a particular gun can do. Most us without gun knowledge get our information from the media. But when we talk to gun righty's about guns we get nothing but insults and ridicule for not using correct terms. It creates a barrier to communication, which I kinda think is intentional to divert the issue away from real concerns that people have with guns.

    We figure, if you're going to advocate banning something we possess and value, you could at least by gawd take the trouble to know whereof you speak.

    And really, if you're going to try to ban or restrict things, then you really SHOULD know what you're banning... if for no other reason then so you actually ban what you're trying to ban and not something else.

    You ought to educate yourself of what weapons are ACTUALLY used in most crimes, as opposed to what people THINK are used... what weapons are capable of what... or how in the hell can you have ANY idea whether what you're trying to do will actually accomplish anything useful or not?!?!?


    In a sense, it is like someone trying to run the economy who doesn't know there's a difference between Sun Trust Bank and the Federal Reserve. Scary... blind person at the wheel type thing.

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    Re: What is an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    he used a sporting rifle... and had a pair of semi auto handguns as back up.

    the primary reason folks are ridiculed for using improper terminology is because the conversation is usually about banning this or that.. restricting this or that.

    in a normal conversation about guns, incorrect terminology will usually just be corrected and explained... but when the convo is about bans or restrictions... yeah... ridicule is sure to follow.


    the media, in general, are friggin dolts when it comes to firearms... it is the exact wrong place to get information from.
    I really don't care about guns per se. I grew up around guns because almost everybody I knew hunted and the only people that got killed or injured were hunters accidentally shooting each other. I remember the filled gun racks in the cab windows of pick up trucks like it was yesterday.

    The only reason I really have to talk about guns today is because massive amounts of innocent people are getting killed and the only solution to stopping the senseless killing that I can think of is to ban them. All the talk about proper training is pointless when you consider the NRA's own research that something like 30% of all households with children leave their guns unlocked, loaded and out in the open. Adam's own mother seems to fit that description and I suspect that she was a true blue NRA member.

    Owning a gun for self defense is a bogus arguement when one looks at the statistics...

    "....The issue of "home defense" or protection against intruders or assailants may well be misrepresented. A study of 626 shootings in or around a residence in three U.S. cities revealed that, for every time a gun in the home was used in a self-defense or legally justifiable shooting, there were four unintentional shootings, seven criminal assaults or homicides, and 11 attempted or completed suicides (Kellermann et al, 1998).

    Over 50% of all households in the U.S. admit to having firearms (Nelson et al, 1987). In another study, regardless of storage practice, type of gun, or number of firearms in the home, having a gun in the home was associated with an increased risk of firearm homicide and suicide in the home (Dahlberg, Ikeda and Kresnow, 2004). Persons who own a gun and who engage in abuse of intimate partners such as a spouse are more likely to use a gun to threaten their intimate partner. (Rothman et al, 2005). Individuals in possession of a gun at the time of an assault are 4.46 times more likely to be shot in the assault than persons not in possession (Branas et al, 2009). It would appear that, rather than being used for defense, most of these weapons inflict injuries on the owners and their families.

    FIREARMS TUTORIAL

    4 accidental, 7 homicides, 11 suicides to 1 actual self defense. Thats a lot of people getting killed and injured to justify one's persons right to self defense. "Rather than being used for defense, most weapons inflict injuries on the owners and their families."


    So I'm open to suggestions from gun rightys as to how we can stop these senseless killings, but the only solution gun rightys ever seem to have, is more guns. IMO, that is the problem, not the solution.

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    Re: What is an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If you are going to scream for something to be banned then shouldn't you actually know what it is you are calling to be banned?
    Was I screaming? Or is that just your way of dismissing everything I just said?

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    Re: What is an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    murders, mass or single, are rarely committed with "assault weapons"
    such was the case when the 1st AWB was enacted.. such is still the case today.
    "Assault weapons are routinely the weapons of choice for gang members and drug dealers." - By Police Chief Joseph M. Polisar

    Police Chief Magazine - View Article
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    Re: What is an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I really don't care about guns per se. I grew up around guns because almost everybody I knew hunted and the only people that got killed or injured were hunters accidentally shooting each other. I remember the filled gun racks in the cab windows of pick up trucks like it was yesterday.

    The only reason I really have to talk about guns today is because massive amounts of innocent people are getting killed and the only solution to stopping the senseless killing that I can think of is to ban them. All the talk about proper training is pointless when you consider the NRA's own research that something like 30% of all households with children leave their guns unlocked, loaded and out in the open. Adam's own mother seems to fit that description and I suspect that she was a true blue NRA member.

    Owning a gun for self defense is a bogus arguement when one looks at the statistics...

    "....The issue of "home defense" or protection against intruders or assailants may well be misrepresented. A study of 626 shootings in or around a residence in three U.S. cities revealed that, for every time a gun in the home was used in a self-defense or legally justifiable shooting, there were four unintentional shootings, seven criminal assaults or homicides, and 11 attempted or completed suicides (Kellermann et al, 1998).

    Over 50% of all households in the U.S. admit to having firearms (Nelson et al, 1987). In another study, regardless of storage practice, type of gun, or number of firearms in the home, having a gun in the home was associated with an increased risk of firearm homicide and suicide in the home (Dahlberg, Ikeda and Kresnow, 2004). Persons who own a gun and who engage in abuse of intimate partners such as a spouse are more likely to use a gun to threaten their intimate partner. (Rothman et al, 2005). Individuals in possession of a gun at the time of an assault are 4.46 times more likely to be shot in the assault than persons not in possession (Branas et al, 2009). It would appear that, rather than being used for defense, most of these weapons inflict injuries on the owners and their families.

    FIREARMS TUTORIAL

    4 accidental, 7 homicides, 11 suicides to 1 actual self defense. Thats a lot of people getting killed and injured to justify one's persons right to self defense. "Rather than being used for defense, most weapons inflict injuries on the owners and their families."


    So I'm open to suggestions from gun rightys as to how we can stop these senseless killings, but the only solution gun rightys ever seem to have, is more guns. IMO, that is the problem, not the solution.

    You statistics are erroneous. Even the most conservative estimates say that over 80,000 crimes are stopped by privately owned guns; other studies say hundreds of thousands, or over a million, anually... compared to 30,000 firearm deaths, most of which are suicides.

    Homicide is down, btw... so are gun accidents. WAY down from the 1970's. So this supposed epidemic of shooting violence you're claiming isn't supported by statistics.

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    Re: What is an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    We figure, if you're going to advocate banning something we possess and value, you could at least by gawd take the trouble to know whereof you speak.

    And really, if you're going to try to ban or restrict things, then you really SHOULD know what you're banning... if for no other reason then so you actually ban what you're trying to ban and not something else. I don't need to know gun terminology. I"m asking you what guns should be banned or modified or whatever. If you can't answer the question then that tells me you are interested in stopping the killing.


    You ought to educate yourself of what weapons are ACTUALLY used in most crimes, as opposed to what people THINK are used... what weapons are capable of what... or how in the hell can you have ANY idea whether what you're trying to do will actually accomplish anything useful or not?!?!?


    In a sense, it is like someone trying to run the economy who doesn't know there's a difference between Sun Trust Bank and the Federal Reserve. Scary... blind person at the wheel type thing.
    Then why don't you tell me what weapons should be banned and we'll go from there? Because it just looks to me like you're more interested in protecting your toys, than you are in protecting innocent lives.

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    Re: What is an assault rifle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    "Assault weapons are routinely the weapons of choice for gang members and drug dealers." - By Police Chief Joseph M. Polisar

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    I thought we were talking about murders?

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