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    Re: Should high school students break up fights in school?

    It means I'm a stakeholder. Once I have kids, then I'll be even more of a stakeholder.

    Like it or not, your job as an educator extends beyond the subject you teach. Kids need to learn character as well. Since you have them for 8 hours a day, teaching that is partly your job.

    I'm not saying you should have hall monitors, or that students are primarily responsible for the safety of other students. That responsibility does fall first on the educators. However, you and I both know that you can't be everywhere all the time. There will be times when a kid sees something going on that he knows is wrong, and there won't be anyone else around.

    That's when a kid must develop character.

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    You're not asking them to walk away. You're asking them to know their role, and the limitations of that role. The role of the instructor and administrator is to make sure everyone is safe, observer or not. The student can intervene in extraordinary circumstances, but no, they should not be the ones breaking up the fights. That is the duty of the school. A school that encourages its students to break up the fights themselves is the irresponsible one.

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    Re: Should high school students break up fights in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by marcus903 View Post
    Do you honestly think high school students should break up fights in school and help keep the school safer?
    Depends on the circumstances.

    1. What do you think the reward should be?
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    2. Should students be punished for trying to break up the fight?
    no

    3. What would you do if a student broke up a fight?
    Continue to not give a damn.
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    Re: Should high school students break up fights in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    It means I'm a stakeholder. Once I have kids, then I'll be even more of a stakeholder.
    You aren't. You have no kids in the schools, you aren't an employee of the school system, you aren't a teacher, you're not an administrator. This is rather obvious. Just because my taxes subsidize farmers doesn't mean I get to dictate what is responsible behavior of agriculture with any authority.

    Like it or not, your job as an educator extends beyond the subject you teach, whether that's Math, Biology, whatever. Kids need to learn to have character as well. Since you have them for 8 hours a day, that makes it partly your job.
    And as such, the role of the educator extending beyond the subject they teach means that they are the ones expected to make the environment safe for its students-not the students themselves.

    I'm not saying you should have hall monitors, or that students are primarily responsible for the safety of other students. That responsibility does fall first on the educators. However, you and I both know that you can't be everywhere all the time. There will be times when a kid sees something going on that he knows is wrong, and there won't be anyone else around.
    Which I already said in response to your initial platitude of "value systems."
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    Re: Should high school students break up fights in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    You're not asking them to walk away. You're asking them to know their role, and the limitations of that role. The role of the instructor and administrator is to make sure everyone is safe, observer or not. The student can intervene in extraordinary circumstances, but no, they should not be the ones breaking up the fights. That is the duty of the school. A school that encourages its students to break up the fights themselves is the irresponsible one.

    For all intents and purposes, your taxpayer status means absolutely nothing. You're an outsider, pure and simple.
    Like Hell it does. I can't believe the arrogance that is conveyed by this post. Grimm is correct in stating that as long as he pays for it, he gets a say. Hell, he gets a say even if he doesn't pay taxes! But the taxpayer status does absolutely legitimize his involvement.
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    Re: Should high school students break up fights in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    You aren't. You have no kids in the schools, you aren't an employee of the school system, you aren't a teacher, you're not an administrator. This is rather obvious. Just because my taxes subsidize farmers doesn't mean I get to dictate what is responsible behavior of agriculture with any authority.



    And as such, the role of the educator extending beyond the subject they teach means that they are the ones expected to make the environment safe for its students-not the students themselves.



    Which I already said in response to your initial platitude of "value systems."
    Nobody says you get to 'dictate' anything, nor is Grimm saying he gets to 'dictate' anything. But you both do get a say.
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    Re: Should high school students break up fights in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Like Hell it does. I can't believe the arrogance that is conveyed by this post. Grimm is correct in stating that as long as he pays for it, he gets a say. Hell, he gets a say even if he doesn't pay taxes! But the taxpayer status does absolutely legitimize his involvement.
    Absolutely not. In these circumstances, this is a matter for school officials, the parents involved, and the larger public school system. It would take an extraordinary matter to expand the scope to the public.
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    Re: Should high school students break up fights in school?

    That you see the morality of heroism as a mere platitude is depressing. How jaded your worldview must be!

    You actually have quite an important role - turning children in to productive, responsible adults. There is nothing dull or ordinary about this responsibility. You ought to be excited about the opportunity to develop character in young people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    You aren't. You have no kids in the schools, you aren't an employee of the school system, you aren't a teacher, you're not an administrator. This is rather obvious. Just because my taxes subsidize farmers doesn't mean I get to dictate what is responsible behavior of agriculture with any authority.



    And as such, the role of the educator extending beyond the subject they teach means that they are the ones expected to make the environment safe for its students-not the students themselves.



    Which I already said in response to your initial platitude of "value systems."

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    Re: Should high school students break up fights in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    That you see the morality of heroism as a mere platitude is depressing. How jaded your worldview must be!

    You actually have quite an important role - turning children in to productive, responsible adults. There is nothing dull or ordinary about this responsibility. You ought to be excited about the opportunity to develop character in young people.
    Dear Lord.

    You would be instituting character and respect for authority by demonstrating that some things are not your domain. You can still do the right thing. If it is a desperate situation and no one is around, yes, the student can and perhaps should get involved. Otherwise, get the adults in charge, let the adults in charge do their job. Nevertheless, on the whole, students on the outside should not be breaking up fights, because they are not the adults in charge, and yes, they bring unnecessary complications and dangers to the situation. This is their job, their legal responsibility-to protect everyone, including protecting students from themselves.
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    Re: Should high school students break up fights in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Absolutely not. In these circumstances, this is a matter for school officials, the parents involved, and the larger public school system. It would take an extraordinary matter to expand the scope to the public.
    Well, that is your opinion. But, he does pay taxes, and he does get to vote, and if he wants to interfere in the workings of publicly funded schools he can do so, and to a real extent his power as a voter and his legitimacy as a taxpayer will carry some weight, despite your opinion.
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    Re: Should high school students break up fights in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Well, that is your opinion. But, he does pay taxes, and he does get to vote, and if he wants to interfere in the workings of publicly funded schools he can do so, and to a real extent his power as a voter and his legitimacy as a taxpayer will carry some weight, despite your opinion.
    But he has almost no weight. That's my point. His opinion on what happens in a school building one day nearly means squat. Taxpayer status is on the bottom of the totem poll, one step above being a tax payer and criticizing a private school.
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