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    Re: Should high school students break up fights in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm
    It reminds me of the woman who was raped in a New York subway, in full view of several witnesses, none of whom did anything to stop the attack.

    She cried rape



    Or the story of the 18 year old disabled woman in Los Angeles who was raped on a public buss, while onlookers did nothing:

    Woman Raped On Bus As Onlookers Ignore Incident - Mass Transit




    Or the story of the 15 year old girl who was gang raped at Richmond high school, and onlookers reportedly "laughed."

    How Could Bystanders Do Nothing as a Teen Gets Raped? - ABC News




    Or the 4 year old boy who was tortured in public while onlookers did nothing...

    LiveLeak.com - 4 Yr Old Boy Tortured In China While Onlookers Do Nothing (comments)




    Or the old man attacked in public by a gang of kids, while onlookers shot youtube videos...

    Man Attacked; Onlookers Film And Do Nothing | Brad Rourke's Blog
    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm
    ....no "reward" ...it should be expected that young men act in a civilized manner, at least most of the time...Fighting is a natural thing for children to do...we must keep the fight fair and clean, if it is not, or a participant is being hurt, then its time for a break up, and two or more should do this..
    2....It would be ludicrous, unfair, even stupid.....now , those who would sit and watch, even as one is being hurt - they are the ones who should be punished.
    3....depends... a thank you hurts not....even a shaken hand....probably nothing.....depends.... I would "stick up " for him..
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    Man is really going down-hill if he worries that much about his "safety".
    All of which tells me nothing about being grounded in reality. Once people can start talking about what is actually needing to be considered from the school's perspective, this kind of yammering is meaningless.
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    Re: Should high school students break up fights in school?

    I agree. I just don't want to teach kids, when they're young and impressionable and at the age where they're learning about life, that the right thing to do when they see something going on is to walk away and ignore it.

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    Re: Should high school students break up fights in school?

    Depends on the demographics of the school and the intervenor.

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    Re: Should high school students break up fights in school?

    You can't make the connection? The whole point of "school" is to teach. Either we teach kids that when they see something bad, the right thing is to walk away, or we teach them to do the right thing and intervene.

    If we choose the former, we will have a society full of stories such as the ones I linked.

    If a school can't accomplish its main objective, to turn young people in to productive adults, then what good is that school?

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    All of which tells me nothing about being grounded in reality. Once people can start talking about what is actually needing to be considered from the school's perspective, this kind of yammering is meaningless.

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    Re: Should high school students break up fights in school?

    We used to break up fights so our friends wouldn't get suspended. Once a teacher showed up, it was their problem.

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    Re: Should high school students break up fights in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    You can't make the connection? The whole point of "school" is to teach. Either we teach kids that when they see something bad, the right thing is to walk away, or we teach them to do the right thing and intervene.

    If we choose the former, we will have a society full of stories such as the ones I linked.

    If a school can't accomplish its main objective, to turn young people in to productive adults, then what good is that school?
    I get that people outside the discipline of education really like their platitudes, but this is ridiculous. You do not put a student in a position where they are the ones expected to maintain order.

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm
    we must keep the fight fair and clean, if it is not, or a participant is being hurt, then its time for a break up, and two or more should do this..
    And earthworm, having the school let a fight go on until someone gets hurt? Come on. Can you at least be up to par on what responsible administrative/teacher behavior is before suggesting students get into the fray?
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    Re: Should high school students break up fights in school?

    I don't think students should break up fights, that's the job of the school security/administration, if the students want to they shouldn't be punished or rewarded, though. And I don't see how fighting is a danger in schools, most fights (at least in the High School I go to) are one-on-one where both parties agree to fight, they're usually never assaults where one student sucker-punches the other. Once one student 'throws-in-the towel' the fight is usually over.

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    Re: Should high school students break up fights in school?

    As long as my taxes are paying for the whole shebang, I'm not on the "outside" of anything. This is very much my business. If you're not teaching kids proper values, then you're not doing your job - period.

    If someone sees something they know is wrong, the right thing to do is to intervene on behalf of the one that's helpless. You don't teach kids to walk away.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I get that people outside the discipline of education really like their platitudes, but this is ridiculous. You do not put a student in a position where they are the ones expected to maintain order.

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    Re: Should high school students break up fights in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    As long as my taxes are paying for the whole shebang, I'm not on the "outside" of anything. This is very much my business. If you're not teaching kids proper values, then you're not doing your job - period.

    If someone sees something they know is wrong, the right thing to do is to intervene on behalf of the one that's helpless. You don't teach kids to walk away.
    You're not asking them to walk away. You're asking them to know their role, and the limitations of that role. The role of the instructor and administrator is to make sure everyone is safe, observer or not. The student can intervene in extraordinary circumstances, but no, they should not be the ones breaking up the fights. That is the duty of the school. A school that encourages its students to break up the fights themselves is the irresponsible one.

    For all intents and purposes, your taxpayer status means absolutely nothing. You're an outsider, pure and simple.
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    Re: Should high school students break up fights in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    From the school's perspective, it is a safety issue for all parties involved. This doesn't get to clear-cut "value systems." If no one is around, and there is a serious issue, yes, a student might need to intervene, but, you have to understand that as soon as another student becomes involved, their safety is now in question, as well as what that student might do to one of the other students in the process.
    This is frequently the case when one becomes involved in bad situations. I don't think that teaching kids to only be concerned for their own safety is the right thing to do.
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