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Thread: In light of today's events

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    Re: In light of today's events

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Explain the need to be armed....its 2012, not 1612 or 1812.
    And I know what it is !
    That does NOT make it right..
    IMO, gun ownership SHOULD BE a privilege, NOT a right. And, it is slowly becoming more of a privledge and less of a right, which addles the hell out of gun loving conservatives.

    For one, self-defense against armed criminals.


    When you can GUARANTEE I will never be threatened by an armed criminal, we can talk more.

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    Re: In light of today's events

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    As you all have certainly heard there was ANOTHER mass shooting, this time at a elementary school, killing at least 27. This is just one of numerous examples of gun related violence in the news recently. As with any other shooting, this raises the question of how to prevent the violence. Please share your ideas on how to prevent another major incident like this.

    Ps- I would like to express my sadness and deep sorrow about this incident and my thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families.
    Loading on more restrictions is not the answer. Punishing the majority for the psychotic stupidity of the very few is simply unfair. As the aftermath of this madness unravels, I'm certain we're going to see all kinds of indicators that lead to these senseless killings, and most of it will probably come down to major neglect on the parent's part.

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    Re: In light of today's events

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    So, what was CNN's point ?
    They didn't have one as far as I could tell. But it didn't stop them from talking about the rifle that wasn't used.
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    Re: In light of today's events

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    1. We need a ton of work here, IMO, its nearly impossible with the "mental" health people we have today
    2. We do NOT need more guns !
    The mass murderer was not a so-called criminal, in many, if not most cases they are not..
    He stole firearms and killed people, how was he not a criminal?

    Why don't we need more guns? How else stop a bad man with a gun? If you were there, would you be concerned or relieved with the police (good guys with guns) show up?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    We do not need any return to the wild west (and east) days, when everyone wore a gun.
    3. High quality security, not "more".
    A school is still an institute of learning, NOT a prison...
    The wild west wasn't nearly as wild as you suggest, what do you consider "high security" that is not "more" and no one suggested barbed gates, guard towers and cell blocks. Just a security guard or assigned law enforcement at the only unlocked entrance. Are you suggesting that no guard be present and all entrances remain unsecured?
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: In light of today's events

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Explain the need to be armed....its 2012, not 1612 or 1812.
    And I know what it is !
    That does NOT make it right..
    IMO, gun ownership SHOULD BE a privilege, NOT a right. And, it is slowly becoming more of a privledge and less of a right, which addles the hell out of gun loving conservatives.
    So should the President's secret service, and our politician's security/bodyguards be prohibited from carrying weapons for their defense?
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: In light of today's events

    There have been a lot of good ideas shared about how to keep schools safer specifically. I was talking how to reduce gun related violence in general. So if you all would like to chime in on that feel free
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    Re: In light of today's events

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    An assault weapon was not used in this attack. It was left in the car.

    He used two pistols.
    What kind of pistols?

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    Re: In light of today's events

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I have some burning questions about how this happened...


    How did this young man get SO wrong in the head that he was capable of mass-murdering little children, and no one noticed and intervened or got him psychiatric help?

    How did this man get into the school armed, when most schools today have security doors and lockdown proceedures?

    WHERE was the armed school resource officer (police), and why did he not act to stop this before it got so far?


    I don't yet know the answers to these questions, but I think they are the ones we should be asking.


    This is a horrible and tragic crime that really hit me where I live as a parent.
    He had indications of mental problems and apparently suffered from "Aspergers syndrome". How could a school teacher not lock her weapons away from her son? Why was she so unaware of the incredible danger those weapons could be? I blame the NRA and the gun culture that insists that weapons in the home make you safer. It apparently lulled her into a false sense of security. The extreme negative poitential of irresponsible gun ownership needs to taught to every perspective gun buyer and backed up by laws that are enforced. If that reduces gun sales then tough. Alot of people that own guns lack the discipline and responsiblitiy to keep from making themselves or their loved ones targets of the very weapon they think "protects" them. That is blatantly obvious in this latest bloodfest.
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    Re: In light of today's events

    Everyone knows where I stand or thinks they do.

    The problem is that in my opinion the only thing that wil change anything is an horrific national incident that will make this horrible tragedy look like a walk in the park.
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    Re: In light of today's events

    Quote Originally Posted by Carleen View Post
    What kind of pistols?
    a 9mm Glock and some variation of a SIG Sauer; he may have had another weapon in the building but there seems to be conflicting reports on that and whether it was used.

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