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    Re: In light of today's events

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Their neural activity would be the "evidence." Then take the warranty to observe or whatever, go by your own laws. Just filter sociopaths and raging murderers from blending in with the innocent before they snap.
    It does not work like that at all. Neural activity is not a crime, it is not even likely to be a crime in the future as according to the stats it only applies to a small percentage. You can't get a warrant based on well they mite do something. That is completely illegal. It is thought crime.

    This is so outlandish and fascist, I am done.

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    Re: In light of today's events

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    This is such partisan crap. Yes it's only self proclaimed conservatives preaching hate. Look around, this is a total hack job. I see just as much hate if not more coming from the left as well.
    What I said wasn't intended to be partisan at all. I grew up in an extremely liberal area. So many people there believed that Republicans are racist and think poor people are expendable. The point was that we live in an environment where all we hear is that our fellow Americans want to ruin the country and this will be the end of the nation if our candidate doesn't win the next election. Then we watch the news and see death and hatred, and then instead of uniting over these horrible things, we are split further apart by the media. Every single day people like Limbaugh take the news and create this self-serving narrative. Trayvon Martin = african americans are allowed to be violent thugs and white americans aren't allowed to protect themselves. We hear it every day. It feeds off itself. It isn't entirely to blame in any horrible tragedy but it is partly to blame in many horrible tragedies.

    It's not legal to yell fire in a crowded theater. These people are yelling fire every single day in a crowded theater. Regulate it or unite over stopping it.
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    Re: In light of today's events

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I have some burning questions about how this happened...


    How did this young man get SO wrong in the head that he was capable of mass-murdering little children, and no one noticed and intervened or got him psychiatric help?

    How did this man get into the school armed, when most schools today have security doors and lockdown proceedures?

    WHERE was the armed school resource officer (police), and why did he not act to stop this before it got so far?


    I don't yet know the answers to these questions, but I think they are the ones we should be asking.
    I agree with Goshin on this. These questions really get to the heart of the matter.

    It seems like in so many of these cases, once the incident happens, you can look back and see warning signs. In this case, the shooter's brother said he thought the shooter had a personality disorder. If so, why was it never treated? Maybe there are better ways of identifying people who might do harm to themselves or others. Maybe not, I don't know.

    And as sad a comment as it is on the state of affairs in America today, I think schools are going to have to start being better protected. Much better protected. Allowing teachers to carry concealed might help a little, but I'm not sure how much honestly. A gunman is probably going to be more heavily armed, may be wearing body armor, and have the element of surprise. Having someone (or multiple someones) in the school who is armed and trained in dealing with hostile intruders would be better, but would be expensive. You could try to have teachers do it, but I don't think teachers should be forced to become armed guards to keep their jobs.
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    Re: In light of today's events

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    It does not work like that at all. Neural activity is not a crime, it is not even likely to be a crime in the future as according to the stats it only applies to a small percentage. You can't get a warrant based on well they mite do something. That is completely illegal. It is thought crime.

    This is so outlandish and fascist, I am done.

    No offence man, just can't agree. Have a good one.
    None taken, no worries.

    It is a problem, and we are just throwing what we have here. At least there is a more valid option of identifying killers such as through neuroimaging available. Now how it is worked from there may require other opinions and other solutions. Block by block bridges are built.

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    Re: In light of today's events

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    What I said wasn't intended to be partisan at all. I grew up in an extremely liberal area. So many people there believed that Republicans are racist and think poor people are expendable. The point was that we live in an environment where all we hear is that our fellow Americans want to ruin the country and this will be the end of the nation if our candidate doesn't win the next election. Then we watch the news and see death and hatred, and then instead of uniting over these horrible things, we are split further apart by the media. Every single day people like Limbaugh take the news and create this self-serving narrative. Trayvon Martin = african americans are allowed to be violent thugs and white americans aren't allowed to protect themselves. We hear it every day. It feeds off itself. It isn't entirely to blame in any horrible tragedy but it is partly to blame in many horrible tragedies.

    It's not legal to yell fire in a crowded theater. These people are yelling fire every single day in a crowded theater. Regulate it or unite over stopping it.
    The reason why this is irrelevant is neither side is saying, go and kill children. I am not even aware of them saying go and kill the opposition. Talk News/Radio are simply stating an opinion just like we are here. Are causing people to kill each other simply by expressing opposing view points on this page?

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    Re: In light of today's events

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Me too.

    But I think I may have an answer to your question. No matter what the protocols are, there are going to be exceptions no matter what rules you devise. The shooter was known to school officials--all day long I've heard "facial recognition." Unless they know otherwise, when somebody's spouse or kid shows up at work, that's different.

    This very night my kid took my building key and went to my office as a favor. Nobody stopped her, and why should they? They've known her since she was a kid. She has my key and my trust. She's driving my old car. How would they know if she suddenly whacked out?

    I think the shooter got past the protocols because he was known to security. There will always be exceptions to every rule. Should we change the rules because of the exceptions? Should every spouse bringing lunch to his/her sweetie as a common practice be frisked? Should we somehow have the gift of prophecy and otherwise live our lives in fear of even the known?

    You have some good points... however: It was apparently widely known that this young man had mental and behavioral issues. Given that, it seems to me that someone should have been a bit more on-guard in his case.

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    Re: In light of today's events

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Lock-downs that means something. You know, like when all the kids are in the building, the doors are locked down and no one gets in without a personal escort and knowing what their business is. With an emergency alarm on the inside at every door.
    Steel doors for classrooms that are locked down when class begins...every classroom equipped with an alarm system wired to the local police department.
    Metal detectors.
    Trained and armed security.
    Video cameras with full-time monitoring.

    Some will say, "WTF are you talking about???" Think of what we do for fire detection/prevention in every school and classroom in the United States. How many deaths by fire do we have in American schools every year? How many deaths by morons?
    Horrific ideas, changing an institution of education into a prison.
    And yet, very sadly, this may be what we need.
    Over the past century, some has gone seriously wrong.
    We had none of this crap when I was attending school...misbehave and a teacher would handle it directly, don't I know...lol...
    In the past half century, we have taken some wrong turns.

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    Re: In light of today's events

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I have some burning questions about how this happened...


    How did this young man get SO wrong in the head that he was capable of mass-murdering little children, and no one noticed and intervened or got him psychiatric help?We have become a nation of strangers...walk down the street...does anyone smile and greet ?
    Do we all hate each other ?Even within a family, is there any love, any care ? We are all so damn busy being greedy...we must turn off the TV, the video games, take walk and discuss things - just care about one another.....


    How did this man get into the school armed, when most schools today have security doors and lockdown proceedures?IMO, these things are designed by idiots, who think they know everything....they do NOT

    WHERE was the armed school resource officer (police), and why did he not act to stop this before it got so far? This was a horrible event, the mass murderer must have bee calm, cool, and collected as he systematically murdered those who would protect the children...He probably planned this for some time. That he was a coward(typical) helps not, dead men tell few tales.


    I don't yet know the answers to these questions, but I think they are the ones we should be asking.


    This is a horrible and tragic crime that really hit me where I live as a parent.
    I wish I had the answers...
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    Re: In light of today's events

    You cannot love the crazy out of people's heads.

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    Re: In light of today's events

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    Only three things can be done to prevent tragedies like these:

    1. We need adequate means of identifying and treating people with mental illness.
    2. We need more good people with guns. Too many of these shootings occur in Gun Free (Target Rich) zones, that the criminal thrives on. The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun, either concealed carrying or law enforcement. We need armed teachers, students on college campuses, and armed guards to protect our children.
    3. More security. Guarded limited access during school hours, with surveillance, alerts and training/preparations.

    Restricting the law abiding will accomplish nothing but shifting the balance of power further in favor of the criminal, leaving fewer good people with guns compared to those who don't obey such disarming laws or any other.
    1. We need a ton of work here, IMO, its nearly impossible with the "mental" health people we have today
    2. We do NOT need more guns !
    The mass murderer was not a so-called criminal, in many, if not most cases they are not..
    We do not need any return to the wild west (and east) days, when everyone wore a gun.
    3. High quality security, not "more".
    A school is still an institute of learning, NOT a prison...

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