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Thread: In light of today's events

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    Re: In light of today's events

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    As you all have certainly heard there was ANOTHER mass shooting, this time at a elementary school, killing at least 27. This is just one of numerous examples of gun related violence in the news recently. As with any other shooting, this raises the question of how to prevent the violence. Please share your ideas on how to prevent another major incident like this.

    Ps- I would like to express my sadness and deep sorrow about this incident and my thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families.
    I think there's one huge reason that has nothing to do with guns: the media. Fox News, MSNBC, Sean Hannity, and half of the big name partisan talk radio guys (Savage, Rush Limbaugh, and Glenn Beck to name three). These guys are selling hate. They spend every day of their lives lying and creating a narrative of us versus them to achieve fame and fortune. They would gladly incite a riot and get big ratings than inspire peace and make a modest living. It's not just their fault, though, Americans are buying it.

    What's the difference between now and 1980? There are exponentially increasing instances of mass violence, yet the guns we have today are no more lethal than what was around back then. The difference is the widespread hate for each other that we are exposed to every day and that so many of us are buying. We make our neighbors our enemies because we vote for a different candidate. We don't listen to each other. We don't care what they have to say. All we know is that we hate them and they are our enemies. You want a solution? Regulate them or stop purchasing their evil product.
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    Re: In light of today's events

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I have some burning questions about how this happened...


    How did this young man get SO wrong in the head that he was capable of mass-murdering little children, and no one noticed and intervened or got him psychiatric help?

    How did this man get into the school armed, when most schools today have security doors and lockdown proceedures?

    WHERE was the armed school resource officer (police), and why did he not act to stop this before it got so far?


    I don't yet know the answers to these questions, but I think they are the ones we should be asking.


    This is a horrible and tragic crime that really hit me where I live as a parent.
    Me too.

    But I think I may have an answer to your question. No matter what the protocols are, there are going to be exceptions no matter what rules you devise. The shooter was known to school officials--all day long I've heard "facial recognition." Unless they know otherwise, when somebody's spouse or kid shows up at work, that's different.

    This very night my kid took my building key and went to my office as a favor. Nobody stopped her, and why should they? They've known her since she was a kid. She has my key and my trust. She's driving my old car. How would they know if she suddenly whacked out?

    I think the shooter got past the protocols because he was known to security. There will always be exceptions to every rule. Should we change the rules because of the exceptions? Should every spouse bringing lunch to his/her sweetie as a common practice be frisked? Should we somehow have the gift of prophecy and otherwise live our lives in fear of even the known?

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    Re: In light of today's events

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    I think there's one huge reason that has nothing to do with guns: the media. Fox News, MSNBC, Sean Hannity, and half of the big name partisan talk radio guys (Savage, Rush Limbaugh, and Glenn Beck to name three). These guys are selling hate. They spend every day of their lives lying and creating a narrative of us versus them to achieve fame and fortune. They would gladly incite a riot and get big ratings than inspire peace and make a modest living. It's not just their fault, though, Americans are buying it.

    What's the difference between now and 1980? There are exponentially increasing instances of mass violence, yet the guns we have today are no more lethal than what was around back then. The difference is the widespread hate for each other that we are exposed to every day and that so many of us are buying. We make our neighbors our enemies because we vote for a different candidate. We don't listen to each other. We don't care what they have to say. All we know is that we hate them and they are our enemies. You want a solution? Regulate them or stop purchasing their evil product.
    This is so true! I think it was just yesterday that I was watching Rush Limbaugh and I remember him saying all of us Republicans should get our guns and go massacre a school children! /sarcasm off

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    Re: In light of today's events

    Only three things can be done to prevent tragedies like these:

    1. We need adequate means of identifying and treating people with mental illness.
    2. We need more good people with guns. Too many of these shootings occur in Gun Free (Target Rich) zones, that the criminal thrives on. The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun, either concealed carrying or law enforcement. We need armed teachers, students on college campuses, and armed guards to protect our children.
    3. More security. Guarded limited access during school hours, with surveillance, alerts and training/preparations.

    Restricting the law abiding will accomplish nothing but shifting the balance of power further in favor of the criminal, leaving fewer good people with guns compared to those who don't obey such disarming laws or any other.
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: In light of today's events

    Gun ownership should now be a privilege, NOT a "right".
    Our people must stand up to the NRA and its minions..
    The restrictions should be that only certified sane people own them.
    And this "certified sane" must be completely redefined....including certified responsibility.
    There are unanswered questions ...why so many guns....one is more than enough, the now murdered owner had three of them. And, to me, its obvious that this "mass murderer" was off his rocker, yet he still had access.
    Why?
    But, again, the gun-loving tea bagging conservatives will stop all attempt at reform legislation...these murders will have to occur every year for another 50 years...then ,maybe, something will be done..
    Probably a repeal of the second amendment...

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    Re: In light of today's events

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    What? Why?
    To protect his pupils.

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I read that.
    Bene.

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    Re: In light of today's events

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    I think there's one huge reason that has nothing to do with guns: the media. Fox News, MSNBC, Sean Hannity, and half of the big name partisan talk radio guys (Savage, Rush Limbaugh, and Glenn Beck to name three). These guys are selling hate. They spend every day of their lives lying and creating a narrative of us versus them to achieve fame and fortune. They would gladly incite a riot and get big ratings than inspire peace and make a modest living. It's not just their fault, though, Americans are buying it.

    What's the difference between now and 1980? There are exponentially increasing instances of mass violence, yet the guns we have today are no more lethal than what was around back then. The difference is the widespread hate for each other that we are exposed to every day and that so many of us are buying. We make our neighbors our enemies because we vote for a different candidate. We don't listen to each other. We don't care what they have to say. All we know is that we hate them and they are our enemies. You want a solution? Regulate them or stop purchasing their evil product.
    There is an awful lot of truth to this, and I believe the crux of the problem.
    The solution is..............
    We need a better people.
    Maybe G Rivera on Fox News is correct, until we have a "better people" we will need a fully armed and trained policeman at every single school..
    Strange that still more guns is the answer.

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    Re: In light of today's events

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Me too.

    But I think I may have an answer to your question. No matter what the protocols are, there are going to be exceptions no matter what rules you devise. The shooter was known to school officials--all day long I've heard "facial recognition." Unless they know otherwise, when somebody's spouse or kid shows up at work, that's different.

    This very night my kid took my building key and went to my office as a favor. Nobody stopped her, and why should they? They've known her since she was a kid. She has my key and my trust. She's driving my old car. How would they know if she suddenly whacked out?

    I think the shooter got past the protocols because he was known to security. There will always be exceptions to every rule. Should we change the rules because of the exceptions? Should every spouse bringing lunch to his/her sweetie as a common practice be frisked? Should we somehow have the gift of prophecy and otherwise live our lives in fear of even the known?
    Do we really know each other ?
    Was the mass murderer ever "known" ?
    Where was the father ?
    Do we have far too much privacy ?

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    Re: In light of today's events

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Do we really know each other ?
    Was the mass murderer ever "known" ?
    Where was the father ?
    Do we have far too much privacy ?
    #1 No, irrelevant. Bull**** philosophical garbage.
    #2 He had a mother and a father. According to reports he snapped suddenly, who knows though he is dead. Can't always see that coming.
    #3 He was a grown man, irrelevant
    #4 We can't have enough privacy from government. If I am breaking now laws the government does not need to know ****. Go to a judge and get a warrant if you have proof of something. Otherwise, leave us alone.
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    Re: In light of today's events

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    I think there's one huge reason that has nothing to do with guns: the media. Fox News, MSNBC, Sean Hannity, and half of the big name partisan talk radio guys (Savage, Rush Limbaugh, and Glenn Beck to name three). These guys are selling hate. They spend every day of their lives lying and creating a narrative of us versus them to achieve fame and fortune. They would gladly incite a riot and get big ratings than inspire peace and make a modest living. It's not just their fault, though, Americans are buying it.

    What's the difference between now and 1980? There are exponentially increasing instances of mass violence, yet the guns we have today are no more lethal than what was around back then. The difference is the widespread hate for each other that we are exposed to every day and that so many of us are buying. We make our neighbors our enemies because we vote for a different candidate. We don't listen to each other. We don't care what they have to say. All we know is that we hate them and they are our enemies. You want a solution? Regulate them or stop purchasing their evil product.
    This is such partisan crap. Yes it's only self proclaimed conservatives preaching hate. Look around, this is a total hack job. I see just as much hate if not more coming from the left as well.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
    Quote Originally Posted by Absentglare View Post
    You can successfully wipe your ass with toilet paper, that doesn't mean that you should.

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