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Thread: In light of today's events

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    Re: In light of today's events

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
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    This will not solve anything it's just stupid.

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    Re: In light of today's events

    Quote Originally Posted by Carleen View Post
    Not in my opinion. Not all guns should be allowed. The 2nd ammendment was written a long time ago and any weapon that can put multiple bullets into a person should not be allowed. It makes no sense to me.
    A lot of other amendments were written a long time ago too.Technology doesn't change their intent.

    The woman in the video has a clear understanding about what the 2nd amendment is for.
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    Re: In light of today's events

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Male, from reasonably affluent families. Out of touch Mothers in my opinion. This shooter was treated for mental problems and he knew about and had access to his Mother's guns. I have seen way to many mothers who just say "No, my boy couldn't have done that." Or, make grand excuses when they are caught doing something wrong. Or, deny the facts when they are point blank and obvious. They treat these children as children into their twenties. I think parent training is in order. Just an opinion.
    I've seen many that live in denial as well. Their children is overweight, lacks language acquisition due to neglect and left too much on front of TV, makes hysterical requests, and yet there's nothing wrong with him. They sabotage your attempts to help them by working ahead of you.

    First one needs to recognize that there is a problem such as for instance overweight. I ask how much their obese son weighs they say 20kg. How tall he is, he is 1m. Under such data the BMI formula shows that the child is not overweight but is athletic. Obviously they've checked the formula and agreed about providing consistent answers ahead of me asking them. While I was trying to help them by providing suggestions what they should do to their kid.

    Anyway, parental training is a good opinion. Not that it was not tried though. First, usually concerned parents that have more time attend the courses voluntarily anyway, and they by that much are better parents than overworked neglecting parents. Secondly, what happens if they fail the course?

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    Re: In light of today's events

    Quote Originally Posted by Paratrooper View Post
    The reason why this is irrelevant is neither side is saying, go and kill children. I am not even aware of them saying go and kill the opposition. Talk News/Radio are simply stating an opinion just like we are here. Are causing people to kill each other simply by expressing opposing view points on this page?
    That's correct, neither side is saying go and kill children. But my argument isn't that this incident was a direct product of the political environment. My argument is that the increasing frequency of mass shootings has many causes and one of them is the hostile environment apparent in America today - often blown out of proportion by politicians and the media.

    There are a couple people I grew up with and went to school with who have taken an innocent life - and none of them were brought up being told by their parents to murder the innocent. Nonetheless, the parents were part of the problem in each instance. Do you think that growing up with parents who are violent towards each other would have some effect on their children? The point is that people are some combination of nature and nurture and - in my opinion - the rhetoric and media people are being exposed to is making the Lanza's and Holmes' of the world more likely to hit that point where they actually do what they do. It's not the only cause, but it is a contributing factor. Turn on the news - death, death, death, death, death. Listen to MSNBC or Fox News - they're killing America, they hate America, this is the end, we can't turn back, they want to take your guns away, they want to take your health care away, they hate poor people, they hate rich people. Are you affected by it? I am, how could I not be? How can any of us claim that we aren't affected by it?

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    Re: In light of today's events

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    I've seen many that live in denial as well. Their children is overweight, lacks language acquisition due to neglect and left too much on front of TV, makes hysterical requests, and yet there's nothing wrong with him. They sabotage your attempts to help them by working ahead of you.

    First one needs to recognize that there is a problem such as for instance overweight. I ask how much their obese son weighs they say 20kg. How tall he is, he is 1m. Under such data the BMI formula shows that the child is not overweight but is athletic. Obviously they've checked the formula and agreed about providing consistent answers ahead of me asking them. While I was trying to help them by providing suggestions what they should do to their kid.

    Anyway, parental training is a good opinion. Not that it was not tried though. First, usually concerned parents that have more time attend the courses voluntarily anyway, and they by that much are better parents than overworked neglecting parents. Secondly, what happens if they fail the course?
    I've read articles that have stated that many of these shooters had been on prescription psychotropic drugs. There may be a link there, as many insanities produce the same manifestations in many humans, ergo drugs can probably do the same thing.

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    Re: In light of today's events

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I've read articles that have stated that many of these shooters had been on prescription psychotropic drugs. There may be a link there, as many insanities produce the same manifestations in many humans, ergo drugs can probably do the same thing.
    That be a good hands on find. Drugs that influence psychotic people into a killing spree.

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    Re: In light of today's events

    The absolute stupidity of every have guns make this world safer argument is just <lack of words>

    It's appalling and disgusting.

    What arm the kids with guns?

    Even if the staff was armed with guns the killer could easily kill them before they have time to react.
    One learns more by listening than talking.

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    Re: In light of today's events

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    A lot of other amendments were written a long time ago too.Technology doesn't change their intent.

    The woman in the video has a clear understanding about what the 2nd amendment is for.
    Perfect case of emotional irrational people.
    One learns more by listening than talking.

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