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Thread: In light of today's events

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    Re: In light of today's events

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    What? Why? Aren't pretty much all of these types of killers male?

    Male, from reasonably affluent families. Out of touch Mothers in my opinion. This shooter was treated for mental problems and he knew about and had access to his Mother's guns. I have seen way to many mothers who just say "No, my boy couldn't have done that." Or, make grand excuses when they are caught doing something wrong. Or, deny the facts when they are point blank and obvious. They treat these children as children into their twenties. I think parent training is in order. Just an opinion.

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    Re: In light of today's events

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Male, from reasonably affluent families. Out of touch Mothers in my opinion. This shooter was treated for mental problems and he knew about and had access to his Mother's guns. I have seen way to many mothers who just say "No, my boy couldn't have done that." Or, make grand excuses when they are caught doing something wrong. Or, deny the facts when they are point blank and obvious. They treat these children as children into their twenties. I think parent training is in order. Just an opinion.
    This I suspected.....
    I cannot agree with you more.

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    Re: In light of today's events

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    The state IS NOT responsible for your saftey. The Supreme court and lower courts have stated this and even went so far as to comment on the irony of not being able to arm yourself in those districts that make that exceedingly difficult. The government and Law enforcemnt in particular, have no obligation to you whatsoever. If you ceed your responsibilty it will be for nought. Not only cant they protect you they have no obligation to protect you.
    Well, thats a new one on me...So, all these policemen, state troopers, inspectors that the state has are simply acting on their own ?
    A man , of sound mind, being able to arm himmself is the entire "safety system" ???
    That is the way things were in the 600s, even to an extent in the 1600s.
    But this "protection" of the 2000s cannot be 100%, even if we have a total police state..
    Strange.

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    Re: In light of today's events

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    See this is the problem. Below is a picture of a 30-06 semi-auto rifle that is a very common hunting rifle. It is probably one of the most common big game hunting rifles around in the US. Now the democrats have tried in the past to declare this an assault weapon, but I think you can look at it (unless you are a no gun for anybody person) and see that it is hardly comparable to an M-16.

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    It shoots 5 bullets per second. Is that the kind of gun most people hunt with? If so why?

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    Re: In light of today's events

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    A Sig and a Glock. I certainly hope you're not going to start talking about "Assault pistols", because there is no such thing by any accepted definition.
    As I guess you know by now, he used a semi-automatic rifle that shoots 5 bullets per second.

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    Re: In light of today's events

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    A semi-automatic weapon is not an assault weapon. The 1994 assault weapons ban did not ban assault rifles, it banned features on guns that made anti-gun loons piss their panties and it had nothing to do with the effectiveness of the weapon,.
    a rifle that shoots 5 bullets per second and is used in the military is not an assault weapon? Since when?

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    Re: In light of today's events

    Quote Originally Posted by Carleen View Post
    As I guess you know by now, he used a semi-automatic rifle that shoots 5 bullets per second.

    My understanding is that the rifle was not used and was left in the car. If you have information proving the contrary, provide a link.

    In any case, such a weapon is hardly necessary for committing this type of mass murder. A lever-action .30 rifle would do almost as well.

    Gun control is not the answer. We need to address mental illness and school security. Those are more likely to provide actual results.

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    Re: In light of today's events

    Quote Originally Posted by Carleen View Post
    a rifle that shoots 5 bullets per second and is used in the military is not an assault weapon? Since when?

    Civilian versions are semi-auto. Actual "assault rifles" are capable of selective fire, burst or full auto, which almost no rifles available to civilians normally are.

    You need to educate yourself on this subject if you wish to address it. "Assault weapons" is a much abused term.

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    Re: In light of today's events

    Quote Originally Posted by Carleen View Post
    It shoots 5 bullets per second. Is that the kind of gun most people hunt with? If so why?

    You can fire 5 bullets per second with almost any semi-auto firearm, but you're damn unlikely to hit anything you're aiming at that way.

    Learn something about semi-auto firearms vs "Assault" weapons before you address the issue. Ignorance is not appealing in debate.

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    Re: In light of today's events

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Civilian versions are semi-auto. Actual "assault rifles" are capable of selective fire, burst or full auto, which almost no rifles available to civilians normally are.

    You need to educate yourself on this subject if you wish to address it. "Assault weapons" is a much abused term.
    Then you better share that info with our politicians. Some have the wrong opinion about what an assault weapon is. They are the people that matter if they take the issue up.

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