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Thread: In light of today's events

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    Re: In light of today's events

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    This can be traced back to social contract theory

    "In political philosophy the social contract or political contract is a theory or model, originating during the Age of Enlightenment, that typically addresses the questions of the origin of society and the legitimacy of the authority of the state over the individual.[1] Social contract arguments typically posit that individuals have consented, either explicitly or tacitly, to surrender some of their freedoms and submit to the authority of the ruler or magistrate (or to the decision of a majority), in exchange for protection of their remaining rights. The question of the relation between natural and legal rights, therefore, is often an aspect of social contract theory"

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    "Locke's political theory was founded on social contract theory. Unlike Thomas Hobbes, Locke believed that human nature is characterised by reason and tolerance. Like Hobbes, Locke believed that human nature allowed men to be selfish. This is apparent with the introduction of currency. In a natural state all people were equal and independent, and everyone had a natural right to defend his “Life, health, Liberty, or Possessions".[21] Most scholars trace the phrase, "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness," in the American Declaration of Independence to Locke's theory of rights,[22] though other origins have been suggested"

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    Re: In light of today's events

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    I am slightly dense, could you expound a bit?
    What you suggest about "the right of an individual to protect themselves" can be traced back to social contract theory. That was all. It doesn't mean all social contract theorists thought the same. Locke and Hobbes differed over who's responsibility it was to protect citizens. Sorry if I was a little abstract.

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    Re: In light of today's events

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    What you suggest about "the right of an individual to protect themselves" can be traced back to social contract theory. That was all. It doesn't mean all social contract theorists thought the same. Locke and Hobbes differed over who's responsibility it was to protect citizens. Sorry if I was a little abstract.

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    Re: In light of today's events

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Well, not exactly. Everyone is disgusted about it, but Connecticut is relatively a safe place, then again safety is always relative. What I mean by prepared is if we can't stop the factors of crimes like these we need to be prepared to stop the criminals.
    In concrete terms though, the issue of involving neuroimages for identification may be one solution.

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    Re: In light of today's events

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    In concrete terms though, the issue of involving neuroimages for identification may be one solution.
    If it shows promise, sure thing. My overall point is that life is dangerous, and we are always one heartbeat away from death. We can hide or we can be ready for the bad things.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: In light of today's events

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    If it shows promise, sure thing. My overall point is that life is dangerous, and we are always one heartbeat away from death. We can hide or we can be ready for the bad things.
    Well now this tends to get more abstract and philosophical. Uncertainty, chaos, never ending multiple variables in life and their various influences in one side, and humans in their creative ways to counter it on the other side, they balance each other out. Though continuing these new issues may hijack the thread, I do of course agree with all that. In fact I even involve the evolutionary theory, i.e., by practicing "being prepared" steps and "hiding" may in several generations cause one to have more advantages with one practice compared to the other.

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    Re: In light of today's events

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Well now this tends to get more abstract and philosophical. Uncertainty, chaos, never ending multiple variables in life and their various influences in one side, and humans in their creative ways to counter it on the other side, they balance each other out. Though continuing these new issues may hijack the thread, I do of course agree with all that. In fact I even involve the evolutionary theory, i.e., by practicing "being prepared" steps and "hiding" may in several generations cause one to have more advantages with one practice compared to the other.
    It's part philosophical, part evolution. The primary purpose of life is survival, this involves at the primal level living, but in a moral sense requires certain boundaries. Interestingly, this is exacltly where the "rights versus safety" argument starts.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: In light of today's events

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    It's part philosophical, part evolution. The primary purpose of life is survival, this involves at the primal level living, but in a moral sense requires certain boundaries. Interestingly, this is exacltly where the "rights versus safety" argument starts.
    That is where it is at. Should we stop a known sociopath that has decided to kill?

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    Re: In light of today's events

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The thing about your proposal is that its a violation of the 2nd amendment.It is a constitutional right for people to not only keep arms but to bear IE carry them as well without any infringements. .
    While I am not endorsing the items on the list you replied to, you are misusing the word INFRINGEMENT here and in doing so completely producing the incorrect interpretation of the Second Amendment. You are using the modern version of the word instead of the older and now obsolete definition which was in effect two centuries ago.
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    Re: In light of today's events

    Sort of #3: Require schools to hire armed first-responders.

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