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    Re: Enlightenend Society

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    "Clinton has some intriguing facts on his side. Aside from a rounding error, his historical numbers are accurate (figures from the Bureau of Labor Statistics show that the tally under Democrats since 1961 rounds to 41 million, not 42 million). I crunched the numbers a few different ways to see if Clinton was cherry-picking the best numbers. His figures measure job gains from the month a president took office until the month he left. Since it takes a year or so for any president's policies to go into effect, I also measured job gains from one year after each president took office till one year after he left. Here's the score by that measure: Democrats: 38 million new jobs, Republicans, 27 million."

    Clinton was right: The economy really does perform better under Democrats - Economy Watch on NBCNews.com

    the proof is in the numbers.
    Did you also adjust for when each party had full control of Congress and when there was split control of Congress?
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    Re: Enlightenend Society

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I won't give an inch on the Military Offense budget. You need wars to maintain those levels of Military and I think we have politically powerful groups who work hard to start those wars to the benefit of their Corporate paymasters. Sure, makes jobs that could be doing small wind generators, solar panels, solar thermal, biogas digesters, and type decentralized energy network that puts people to work locally all over the Nation. I will not swallow the turd that Military makes good jobs. Bull****, and it's definitely Military Offense, not Defense. We were not attacked by Afghanistan. It was a terrorist named Osama bin Ladin and he's dead. We were not attacked by Saddam, not even threatened. As regards OBL, he was a creature of our own CIA. Backflash, eh? Nuclear Energy is Corporate welfare. Fossil Fuel energy is Corporate welfare. The Military/Industrial/Corporate complex is welfare. Corporate farms are welfare. Investment funds move paper, don't make jobs. The wealthier are wealthier than anytime in our history, ergo if wealth made jobs, we'd be swimming in them as we speak. Corporate prisons need laws that keep prisons full, ergo goofy but profitable drug laws. Torture, rendition, invasion, coercion, CIA NGOs making revolution, and we're just in the tip of the iceberg. An economy that runs on war is an embarrassment to its people, a black mark on it as a Nation, and an abomination to any religion.
    So in other words, you cannot or won't answer the questions posed and defend your stance, only make more unsupported statements of you opinion. I was trying to find out how you came by that opinion. I cannot offer arguments about your opinion until I know what they are based upon.

    No one is arguing that your opinion is just that, your opinion. However, the accuracy of your opinion and why we should give it any consideration is based upon what you used to form that opinion. That is what I am asking for and wish to debate.
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    Re: Enlightenend Society

    I'm disappointed. The title suggested something a little deeper than a simple bait piece.
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    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Enlightenend Society

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Its not just the Democrats, I just told you the Democrats were the only ones that voted against spending over $600 billion next year on the military. A majority of Democrats also voted against the needless Iraq war that cost taxpayers $2 trillion dollars. Name me the last Republican administration that came close to balancing the budget?
    Sorry, I couldn't let this gem of political spin go unnoticed...

    Iraq Resolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    As an averaged percentage of each house of Congress, a mild majority of Democrats voted for the war.
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    Re: Enlightenend Society

    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Zawisza View Post
    Sorry, I couldn't let this gem of political spin go unnoticed...

    Iraq Resolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    As an averaged percentage of each house of Congress, a mild majority of Democrats voted for the war.
    Shame on you, using facts to disrupt someones perfectly good partisan rant.
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    Re: Enlightenend Society

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Its not just the Democrats, I just told you the Democrats were the only ones that voted against spending over $600 billion next year on the military. A majority of Democrats also voted against the needless Iraq war that cost taxpayers $2 trillion dollars. Name me the last Republican administration that came close to balancing the budget?
    Since Mr Fagan, at lest so far, has not responded, and you bring up basically the same point, lets see if you can answer the questions.

    What does this have to do with the economy, either the downturn or it's recovery?
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    Re: Enlightenend Society

    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Zawisza View Post
    Sorry, I couldn't let this gem of political spin go unnoticed...

    Iraq Resolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    As an averaged percentage of each house of Congress, a mild majority of Democrats voted for the war.
    To be fair, many of them were indeed against the war, but voted in favor of it for the troops' sake and/or political reasons.

    If they voted to support the troops I can accept that as a non-hypocritical nod to practical reality.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Enlightenend Society

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    How many more years will Democrats need to fix the economy?
    We will not see an end to the boom-bust cycle until we actually break that cycle.
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    Re: Enlightenend Society

    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Zawisza View Post
    Sorry, I couldn't let this gem of political spin go unnoticed...

    Iraq Resolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    As an averaged percentage of each house of Congress, a mild majority of Democrats voted for the war.
    And, of course, virtually all Democrats voted for military action in Afghanistan, an equally pointless war.
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    Re: Enlightenend Society

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    We will not see an end to the boom-bust cycle until we actually break that cycle.
    Which part of the boom-bust cycle are we in now?

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