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    Re: Enlightenend Society

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    How many more years will Democrats need to fix the economy?
    The economy is not broke yet. If it ain't broke don't fix it.

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    Re: Enlightenend Society

    "We" will need as many years as it takes for the conservatives and liberals to realize that war is the worst possible thing for an economy.
    This includes any and all "wars".
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    Re: Enlightenend Society

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    FWIW. Although I suppose "fixing" is subjective.

    U.S. states inch closer to pre-recession prosperity | Reuters
    I agree
    Our economy can be "fixed" on a state by state basis.
    Our states MUST share info, to determine what works and what does not.

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    Re: Enlightenend Society

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    The economy doesn't need any fixing.

    Those who deserve to be living well are.

    Those blue collar workers who got too greedy had their jobs sent to China. They are getting what they deserve.
    IMO, the blue collar workers are the so-called innocent victims......of their own greed.

    Its the "deserve to be living well" who have directly sent the jobs to China, Mexico, India, and now, YES, even the USA !
    All are greedy, we just have to be less greedy than others.
    And I agree, the liberals and conservatives must keep their hands off the economy.

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    Re: Enlightenend Society

    Neither 'Pubs nor 'Crats are going to "fix" the economy.... let alone the underlying problems in our current economic/fiscal setup and how we got into this mess, until BOTH sides understand certain things they don't wish to face...


    1. "Free Market" is not an unmitigated good, nor pure evil.
    2. Unrestrained capitalism does not always produce the greatest good for the greatest number.
    3. Business is not the enemy; nor is it God. Like electricity, it can be channeled to produce positive outcomes; undirected and unconstrained it can become self-serving and destructive to the greater good.
    4. Regulation and taxes are like blood pressure medicine; just the right amount is beneficial. Too little or too much and you create problems instead of solving them.
    5. We cannot spend without limit or constraint. We must get this under control, and be more efficient and less wasteful in gov't spending.
    6. "Free trade" and "Global economy" have done us more harm than good. They've cost us jobs and entire industries and left us with a lot of people who would LIKE to work, but are not suited to a "service and tech" economy. We need trade and globalism WHERE IT BENEFITS US, and we need to protect our national economic interests and jobs when it does not.
    7. Most people really WOULD rather work than sit and collect welfare... if they could find a job they're capable of that pays a reasonable wage that makes it worthwhile. We ought to encourage this and try to make such jobs available.... but this isn't going to magically happen by unconscious action by the Free Market Tooth Fairy, it is something we have to MAKE happen with supportive policy.
    8. Don't let anyone plunder us.... don't let companies move their factory to TimbuckThree and pay slave wages and then import their products back into the lucrative US consumer market.
    9. One way or another, or all-the-above... we've got to make our government's income and outgo come closer to parity. We can't go on indefinitely spending over a trillion a year of money we don't have.

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    Re: Enlightenend Society

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I said current congress because it's been taken over far right extremists who haven't a clue how to govern or balance a check book.
    Got any evidence to back that up? How do you see far right extremist taking over congress? Don't the Dems have a majority in the senate, which increased during the last election? What evidence do you have the Dems are able to balance a check book or have a clue how to govern? You say the right cannot balance a check book, but which party is that is pushing for the most cuts? Which party is blocking most of those cuts? Which side actually controlled congress the last time, or for that matter, the only times in over 40 years, that the budget was balanced?


    Currently, no party has full control of congress. Also, I seem to remember the Dems having full control and the budget deficit jumping to almost double previous levels their first year and breaking a Trillion dollars the next. Deficit spending would be unable to balance your check book and spending more than you have.

    "That government is best which governs least" - attributed to either Thomas Jefferson or Thomas Paine.

    Well, we know that under that belief, the Dems definitely do no govern best.
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    Re: Enlightenend Society

    Democrats would have to learn how to stop spending money like it's going out of style first. So... never.
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    Re: Enlightenend Society

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    The economy is not broke yet. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
    Then George Bush is off the hook, right?

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    Re: Enlightenend Society

    I think it's better when states compete, rather than help each other.

    Lets face it. First, Washington porks up everything and steals what they can. Then the states, the counties, the cities and the districts. With what little is left, post-politician feasting, is better used by some states than others. That's why some states (ND) are prospering and some states (CA NV) are falling on their collective asses.

    Once again, we are distracted by "liberals" and "conservatives" while our politicians fill their pockets and those of their "admirers".

    So, lets pray that money creation is endless and still works just as it has for the last decade. Its pretty obvious that nothing will be changing anytime soon.




    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    I agree
    Our economy can be "fixed" on a state by state basis.
    Our states MUST share info, to determine what works and what does not.

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    Re: Enlightenend Society

    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Zawisza View Post
    >implying that the Democrats haven't controlled the Senate since January of '07
    With the abuse of Senate rules by the Republicans, Republicans have de facto control of Congress.
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