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    Re: Enlightenend Society

    Quote Originally Posted by evan83 View Post
    It's already fixed. The recession has ended and unemployment is at 7.7% after a peak of 10.5% two years ago. We're only 2 points away from "booming economy" unemployment.
    Employment is not the sole measure of an economy. Also, unemployment figures during the Holiday Season are not accurate of overall health of an economy. Every year at this time, there are a lot of temporary hires, lets wait until the end of January and see how many of the temps keep their jobs. Also, if that employment is based upon credit spending by consumers, it may hold for a little while, but we are just building a false front until the next collapse.
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    Re: Enlightenend Society

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    How long will republicans dominate the congress? As long as we have that pathetic excuse for a congress don't count on the economy getting fixed anytime soon.
    This pretty much says it all. The republicans like to whine that its all the dems fault and that it is up to them and them alone to fix it. Uh yah. Congress is composed of two parties and they both have to work together to get anything done. Good luck with that.
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    Re: Enlightenend Society

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    It's a fair question, isn't it?
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    How many more years will Democrats need to fix the economy?
    If it was a fair question then it wouldn't have singled out a political party and ignored the other. No one political party is going to accomplish "Utopia". If such a thing is even possible. In order to accomplish such a thing then everyone, regardless of political party would have to co-operate and not be greedy. But that is simply not possible. Both sides, indeed 95% of people in this country are greedy.
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    Re: Enlightenend Society

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    If it was a fair question then it wouldn't have singled out a political party and ignored the other. No one political party is going to accomplish "Utopia". If such a thing is even possible. In order to accomplish such a thing then everyone, regardless of political party would have to co-operate and not be greedy. But that is simply not possible. Both sides, indeed 95% of people in this country are greedy.
    I singled out the Democrats because the Republicans don't their a** from the hole in the ground. Though I utterly disagree with the Left on probably 99% of what it stands for, they really do know how to win elections. The problem now is, how in the hell are they going to stay queen of the mountain when all they really know how to do is point their fingers at George Bush?

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    Re: Enlightenend Society

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    If such a thing is even possible. In order to accomplish such a thing then everyone, regardless of political party would have to co-operate and not be greedy. But that is simply not possible. Both sides, indeed 95% of people in this country are greedy.
    I for one do not see how imperfect people could possibly create a perfect society.

    95%? really, you give credit to 5% for not having any greed? Natural Greed, the desire to have more, is a natural desire within humans, very few can resist it. We have a tendency to use the term only in relation to money, but it encompasses a lot more. For a communist society, or even a socialist one, to exist without conflict, greed would have to be wiped out. The fact that they rely upon such an ideal and the fact that greed is human nature, pretty much tells us that Socialism/Communism is not humanly possible and will always fail, or at least be constantly challenged, because they are trying to a society contrary to human nature. Greed is only one area of human nature that they fail to take into account, there are others.
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    Re: Enlightenend Society

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    I singled out the Democrats because the Republicans don't their a** from the hole in the ground. Though I utterly disagree with the Left on probably 99% of what it stands for, they really do know how to win elections. The problem now is, how in the hell are they going to stay queen of the mountain when all they really know how to do is point their fingers at George Bush?
    Winning an election don't mean crap. Running this country is far more important and complicated than winning an election.

    But besides that, both democrats and republicans have both good and bad ideas. You just have to get past all the partisan BS and hyperbole to see it.
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    Re: Enlightenend Society

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    I for one do not see how imperfect people could possibly create a perfect society.

    95%? really, you give credit to 5% for not having any greed? Natural Greed, the desire to have more, is a natural desire within humans, very few can resist it. We have a tendency to use the term only in relation to money, but it encompasses a lot more. For a communist society, or even a socialist one, to exist without conflict, greed would have to be wiped out. The fact that they rely upon such an ideal and the fact that greed is human nature, pretty much tells us that Socialism/Communism is not humanly possible and will always fail, or at least be constantly challenged, because they are trying to a society contrary to human nature. Greed is only one area of human nature that they fail to take into account, there are others.
    There are 7+ billion people on this planet. Among those 7 billion there are groups of people that purposely go out of there way to seek something other than material gratification. Now the reason that I include the whole planet full of people is because one country alone could not achieve "Utopia" unless they closed down thier borders so tightly that a mouse couldn't get through and have full control of the populace. And I see that as even less likely than Utopia. Reason being is "The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence", and people simply are too varied to conform to one idea.
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    Re: Enlightenend Society

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    In essence, we have become an (or the?) enlightened society, hence the name of this thread. It's now up to the shepherds of enlightenment to overcome what little opposition they have left, and guide this country to Utopia. The question is, how long will it take?
    *Enlightened* people don't insure their own failure with policies which lead to their own fall. I would hardly call the country enlightened. Groping around in the darkness would be a more fitting description.
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    Re: Enlightenend Society

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Umm... Did a bunch of republicans in the house change parties and give control of the federal govt to the democrats or something? Cuz, I dont remember seeing it on the news.
    Actually the real question is, did a bunch of Democrats in the Senate switch parties yet? You know, because our economy has actually been pretty good with Republicans running the Congress from 1986-1992 and 1996-2006.

    Democrats already owned Congress when the recession hit, so maybe we should blame them? ;P

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    Re: Enlightenend Society

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    There are 7+ billion people on this planet. Among those 7 billion there are groups of people that purposely go out of there way to seek something other than material gratification. Now the reason that I include the whole planet full of people is because one country alone could not achieve "Utopia" unless they closed down thier borders so tightly that a mouse couldn't get through and have full control of the populace. And I see that as even less likely than Utopia. Reason being is "The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence", and people simply are too varied to conform to one idea.
    I think you have a much different understanding of greed than I do. Greed does NOT amount strictly to material wealth. People can fight over things that have no montary value, such as women, respect, honor, reputation... etc. etc. Self worth unconsciously is the motivator behind everything anyone does, and self worth is inheritantly greedy and self centered by definition.

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