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    Re: Enlightenend Society

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    Econimies around the world is subject to boom-bust cycles. When you thrive on wars the rocovery could take abt a decade. However, the recovery is imminent.
    So George is off the hook, right?

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    Re: Enlightenend Society

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Since Mr Fagan, at lest so far, has not responded, and you bring up basically the same point, lets see if you can answer the questions.

    What does this have to do with the economy, either the downturn or it's recovery?
    The $2 trillion in unneeded tax cuts and the $2 trillion wasted on wars could have been used to support the US Economy internally. It ain't rocket science. The Opportunity Cost of monies. In this case missed opportunities.

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    Re: Enlightenend Society

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    The $2 trillion in unneeded tax cuts and the $2 trillion wasted on wars could have been used to support the US Economy internally. It ain't rocket science. The Opportunity Cost of monies. In this case missed opportunities.
    Maybe not, but I don't know how you think we could of and It ain't rocket science but it is sure sounds a lot like socialism. Also, you are talking about a lot of money spent prior to the Economic downturn. Since the wars were mostly before the downturn, I don't see that they have jack to do with recovery and frankly what they have to do with the downturn.

    I also don't see the Tax cuts having anything to do with the downturn or recovery. They limited what the government had to spend, but they managed to overspend instead. Taxes necessary to pay for all that spending/debt will have an impact on the economy, but until that is passed, Debt does not directly affect economic performances other than tax rates.

    As to $2 Trillion wasted on wars, that is absolutely debatable and definitely not concrete. Plus, we could of easily paid for that by cutting Welfare, HUD, EPA, Medicaid, BATF and many other areas. But that is a different subject for a different thread, since as I said, that was almost all before the downturn and has nothing to do with recovery.
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    Re: Enlightenend Society

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Which part of the boom-bust cycle are we in now?
    Couldn't tell you. Maybe we are in a slow recovery, maybe we are about to have prolonged recession/depression. What I do know is that we have these recessions about every 18 years. Its been happening for about 200 years now. Until we recognize it as unnatural and until we strike the root of the problem it is going to continue.
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    Re: Enlightenend Society

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Their claims are inaccurate. Forbes has better numbers.
    The CBO is the most authoritative non-partisan organization. And you didn't answer my question, name the last Republican administration that came close to balancing the budget?
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    Re: Enlightenend Society

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    We need to maintain our military. Actually we need to greatly improve the average equipment available, it is getting quite old.

    You seem to wish to blame defense for budgeting shortfalls, but all defense spending only comes to about half of average deficits that Obama has been running up. Even if we dropped every penny from the defense budget, our deficit would still exceed, by almost double or mored, the highest deficit under Bush, which occurred when the Dems had control of Congress.

    Can the military be cut some? Sure. But what do we cut? Since it obviously is not the total of our overspending, what else do we cut? What programs have the Dems offered up? Have they offered up spending from other programs to be cut, or only attack Defense and other budgets that the Reps are trying to protect? Compromise cannot come from only one side. Cuts to defense have to be looked at very carefully and not done hodge-podge.

    If the Republicans were to offer up say, $200 billion from defense, would the Dems offer up $200 billion from their chosen pet areas? I guess it is possible, but I haven't seen much evidence of them doing so.
    The Constitution only says defense, it says nothing about wars of choice or spending as much on the military as the rest of the world combined. I have no problem cutting waste wherever it is in the government.

    What waste besides the excessive military do you see needs to be made. Despite the GOP complaining about spending, they continue to spend as much as the rest of the world combined on the military and have not offered any specific cuts they want made.
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    Re: Enlightenend Society

    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Zawisza View Post
    Sorry, I couldn't let this gem of political spin go unnoticed...

    Iraq Resolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    As an averaged percentage of each house of Congress, a mild majority of Democrats voted for the war.

    You didn't read what I said. Please try again!

    "A majority of Democrats also voted against the needless Iraq war that cost taxpayers $2 trillion dollars."



    61% of Democrats in Congress voted against the Iraq war compared to almost 100% of Republicans.


    In what world is 61% not a majority?
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    Re: Enlightenend Society

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The CBO is the most authoritative non-partisan organization. And you didn't answer my question, name the last Republican administration that came close to balancing the budget?
    Entirely irrelevant, the Republicans ability to do it, and frankly, the Republicans are just religious-wingnut liberals at this point, has nothing to do with the spending of the Obama administration and you know it.
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    Re: Enlightenend Society

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Entirely irrelevant, the Republicans ability to do it, and frankly, the Republicans are just religious-wingnut liberals at this point, has nothing to do with the spending of the Obama administration and you know it.
    The president proposed cutting military spending by $500 billion over ten years and medicare costs by $700 million over ten years. No one else as put specific spending cut proposals on paper.
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    Re: Enlightenend Society

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    How many more years will Democrats need to fix the economy?
    already being fixed?

    put that option in.
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