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    Re: How many human races exist?

    On the more controversial mere 3 races.
    These are now not politically or technically correct but still quite Real.

    NOVA | Does Race Exist?
    with two Differing opinions. I post the latter from someone who necessarily/Practically/Forensically deals with race.
    George Gill, the Hands-on proponent:

    Slightly Over Half of all biological/physical anthropologists today believe in the Traditional view that human Races are biologically valid and Real. Furthermore, they tend to see nothing wrong in defining and naming the different populations of Homo sapiens. The Other Half of the biological anthropology community believes either that the traditional racial categories for humankind are arbitrary and meaningless, or that at a minimum there are better ways to look at human variation than through the "racial lens."
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    First, I have found that forensic anthropologists attain a high degree of accuracy in determining geographic racial affinities (white, black, American Indian, etc.) by utilizing both new and traditional methods of bone analysis. Many well-conducted studies were reported in the late 1980s and 1990s that test methods objectively for percentage of correct placement. Numerous individual methods involving midfacial measurements, femur traits, and so on are over 80% accurate alone, and in combination produce very high levels of accuracy. No forensic anthropologist would make a racial assessment based upon just one of these methods, but in combination they can make very reliable assessments, just as in determining sex or age. In other words, multiple criteria are the key to success in all of these determinations..... My students ask, "How can this be? They can Identify skeletons as to Racial origins but do not believe in Race!" My answer is that we can often function within systems that we do not believe in.

    "The idea that Race is 'only skin deep' is simply not true."

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    [.......]The "reality of race" therefore depends more on the definition of reality than on the definition of race. If we choose to accept the system of racial taxonomy that physical anthropologists have traditionally established—major races: black, white, etc.—then one can classify human skeletons within it just as well as one can living humans. The bony traits of the nose, mouth, femur, and cranium are just as revealing to a good osteologist as skin color, hair form, nose form, and lips to the perceptive observer of living humanity. I have been able to prove to myself over the years, in actual Legal cases, that I am more accurate at assessing Race from skeletal remains than from Looking at living people standing before me.

    Seeing both sides
    Where I stand today in the "great race debate" after a decade and a half of pertinent skeletal research is clearly more on the side of the reality of race than on the "race denial" side. ... Morphological characteristics, however, like skin color, hair form, bone traits, eyes, and lips tend to follow geographic boundaries coinciding often with climatic zones. This is not surprising since the selective forces of climate are probably the primary forces of nature that have Shaped human Races with regard not only to Skin color and Hair form but also the Underlying Bony structures of the Nose, Cheekbones, etc.."

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    Those who believe that the concept of race is valid do not discredit the notion of clines, however. Yet those with the Clinical perspective who believe that races are not real do try to discredit the evidence of skeletal biology. Why this bias from the "race denial" faction? This bias seems to stem largely from socio-political motivation and Not science at all. For the time being at least, the people in "race denial" are in "reality denial" as well. Their motivation (a positive one) is that they have come to believe that the race concept is socially dangerous. In other words, they have convinced themselves that race promotes racism. Therefore, they have pushed the Politically Correct Agenda that human races are not biologically real, no matter what the Evidence.

    How can we combat racism if no one is willing to talk about race?"
    Consequently, at the beginning of the 21st century, even as a majority of biological anthropologists favor the reality of the race perspective, not one introductory textbook of physical anthropology even presents that perspective as a possibility. In a case as flagrant as this, we are not dealing with science but rather with blatant, politically motivated censorship. But, you may ask, are the politically correct actually correct? Is there a relationship between thinking about race and racism?
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    Last edited by mbig; 12-18-12 at 12:13 PM.
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    Re: How many human races exist?

    I have read there are 4 distinct races--white, black, everybody else but the others, and some distinctive very small race somewhere around Israel but I forget the details of how that last one was determined.

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    Re: How many human races exist?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    That depends on how Mac defines race.

    Until Mac explicitly states his definition of race, it's all a waste of time.
    Yes, a waste of time.

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    Re: How many human races exist?

    Despite the fact the old 3 are still useful...
    (see my last at top of this page)
    Most genetic researchers now use larger groups of 9 to 11.
    see, ie, Cavalli-Sforza.

    In fact, send your Blood and $100+ into National Geographic's Genographic Project, and they, sight unseen, will tell you what Percent of Each 'Indigenous population'/RACE (11) you are.

    and see my Sig of course.
    Last edited by mbig; 12-18-12 at 12:31 PM.
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    Re: How many human races exist?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    How many human races are there?
    Only one, homo sapiens.
    Homo Neanderthalensis, homo habilis, and the Denosavans died out millennia ago, and homo sapiens has only been around a couple of hundred thousand years, not time to have speciated.

    We're all the same species, therefore all the same race.

    Perhaps in another million years or so, we will have evolved into different species, if we survive that long that is.
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    Re: How many human races exist?

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    On the more controversial mere 3 races.
    These are now not politically or technically correct but still quite Real.

    NOVA | Does Race Exist?
    with two Differing opinions. I post the latter from someone who necessarily/Practically/Forensically deals with race.
    George Gill, the Hands-on proponent:
    One statement by Prof Gill doesn't seem to be true
    [Slightly Over Half of all biological/physical anthropologists today believe in the Traditional view that human Races are biologically valid and Real.
    Here is the website of the American Anthropological Assn which discusses Race

    RACE - Are We So Different? :: A Project of the American Anthropological Association
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    Re: How many human races exist?

    Thanks for the comment Somerville, but [all] 'anthropologists' is not the same as 'physical anthropolgists' Gil uses.
    And there is, of course, the undeniable common sense Bulk of the post untouched.
    But again thanks, because unlike Everyone else who just 'skip posts' with nonsensical one line/2-cents, you actually addressed a difficult contrary post.
    Last edited by mbig; 12-18-12 at 12:54 PM.
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    Re: How many human races exist?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I'm not asking people what I think. I'm asking people what they think.
    And it will turn into a ****fest like the last one.

    Again, waste of time.
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