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Would Santorum Have Beaten Obama?

Would Santorum have Beaten Obama?

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mak2 said:
I think this fracture in the Republican side is the immediate problem. To run someone sane, presumedly like Romney, you anger the tea party and the fundamentalist, then the party is too fractured to run an effective campaign. I really beleive Aiken and Mordouch (tea party conservatives) cost Romney the election along with the 47% comment. I think that woke a lot of people up to what the right wing currently stands for.
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Yes and no. Romney cost the GOP the election because he is Romney and a flawed candidate on so many levels. His gaffes, mistakes, history, and so on all contributed to the problem.

But saying that, the people who ran... not many were better than Romney.

And in the end we saw no amount of hype or wishful thinking can compensate for a well run get out the vote election machine... something the GOP does not have.
 
Santorum was far too right on social issues to ever stand a chance. Romney was a better candidate than Santorum. Rick's views remind me a lot of a theocracy rather than a democratic republic.

I think he was worse than Herman Cain and Bachmann.
 
Santorum always looked like he was constipated. That would have hurt him even if he were a flaming liberal republican. Stuff like that matters more than people think.
 
I just have to ask. Who's the person in the poll that said Santorum could have beat Obama?

I want to buy that person a beer, (or a glass of milk.) LOL!
 
Rainman05 said:
A true conservative is something like Bismark was for instance. I guess that goes to the closest I can explain.
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Just define "true conservative". It shouldn't be that hard.
 
Redress said:
Saw this question asked on TV today, and it got me thinking. There are a number of ways that a Santorum campaign would have significantly differed from a Romney campaign, and would have been the "true conservative" the far right was clammoring for. How likely do you think a Santorum win would have been if he had gotten the nomination?
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No chance, whatsoever. Santorum is like repellent for independents.
 
waas said:
Just define "true conservative". It shouldn't be that hard.
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I just did... in the comment you just replied to.

I know socialists are not that bright, but reading is not that hard.
 
Rainman05 said:
I just did... in the comment you just replied to.


I know socialists are not that bright, but reading is not that hard.
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"Something like Bismark for instance" is not a definition. I know conservatives aren't that smart, but thinking isn't that hard.
 
waas said:
"Something like Bismark for instance" is not a definition. I know conservatives aren't that smart, but thinking isn't that hard.
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Or maybe you just need to do some study on Bismark and then all will be illuminated.
 
Rainman05 said:
Or maybe you just need to do some study on Bismark and then all will be illuminated.
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So Bismark is the exact definition of a true conservative? To the point where no series of words could make us understand better? Amazing. :lamo
 
waas said:
So Bismark is the exact definition of a true conservative? To the point where no series of words could make us understand better? Amazing. :lamo
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No dude, I said it was how I perceived the closest way to be a conservative. I do not know what a true conservative is because it was not the term I used. It was a term used by the OP and I attacked that term and the term conservative when describing santorum. Nothing more.

Now. You can either sit there and pretend to be smart or you can actually do yourself a favor and go study a bit about the man and see what he was about. If you do a good job the end result will be a less troublesome "pretend to be smart" act that you try to pull every time. It is not convincing.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Nobody can run against Santa Claus and win. The MSM will always portray the republicant candidate as the Grinch, and the demorat as Santa. As long as the myth of debt is OK, taxes are bad (except on "the rich") and all federal gov't spending is needed we will continue to become Greece. However, unlike Greece, we are way too big to bail. USA, USA, USA...
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This more than anything explains the Republican loss.

Oh and the signature quote... allow me to offer a new one.

The passive man seeks to adapt to the environment, the active man seeks to change the environment to suit, the enlightened man knows which course is the best on all occasions....
 
Dezaad said:
We used to use the proper colors here. I have no idea who decided to flip them, but it was when I wasn't looking.
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Americans have to do everything don't they?
 
Rainman05 said:
No dude, I said it was how I perceived the closest way to be a conservative. I do not know what a true conservative is because it was not the term I used. It was a term used by the OP and I attacked that term and the term conservative when describing santorum. Nothing more.

Now. You can either sit there and pretend to be smart or you can actually do yourself a favor and go study a bit about the man and see what he was about. If you do a good job the end result will be a less troublesome "pretend to be smart" act that you try to pull every time. It is not convincing.
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Bismarck created the first system of 'socialized' health care in history.

Health Insurance Act of 1883 - ImagineWiki

Was Bismarck a conservative? Absolutely. Was he vastly more rational, more level-headed, more far-seeing than anyone in American conservative politics today? Absolutely.
 
I think Santorum would have done better than Romney. He would have gotten more electoral votes, but not enough to win. He was a ridiculous candidate, but he didn't have the flip-flopping problem that Romney had. Romney flip flopped more than a catfish you've just pulled out of a lake. I think Santorum would have gotten more of the Republican base out. Much of that base was too disgusted with Romney to come out and vote.
 
Einzige said:
Bismarck created the first system of 'socialized' health care in history.

Health Insurance Act of 1883 - ImagineWiki

Was Bismarck a conservative? Absolutely. Was he vastly more rational, more level-headed, more far-seeing than anyone in American conservative politics today? Absolutely.
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You're almost right. Bismarck was a conservative. Today's Republicans are not. They're far-right plutocrats.
 
Einzige said:
I don't think liberals hated him. I think they were amused by him. I'm not a liberal, though I am an anti-conservative, and I found him incredibly entertaining, though not to his benefit.
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They were pretty terrified of him. He would've beaten Obama
 
ReformCollege said:
They were pretty terrified of him. He would've beaten Obama
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lol nobody was terrified of cain he was and is a joke he would have lost even more.
 
Redress said:
Saw this question asked on TV today, and it got me thinking. There are a number of ways that a Santorum campaign would have significantly differed from a Romney campaign, and would have been the "true conservative" the far right was clammoring for. How likely do you think a Santorum win would have been if he had gotten the nomination?
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santorum would have been blown out of the water

He's a social fascist and economically not much different from Obama. Lots of people would have voted third party who voted for Romney. . His nutty views on abortion were like that idiot in Indiana who pissed away a sure GOP Senate hold or the twit in MO, who cost the GOP a take away over the pathetic Claire MnCaskill
 
notquiteright said:
This more than anything explains the Republican loss.

Oh and the signature quote... allow me to offer a new one.

The passive man seeks to adapt to the environment, the active man seeks to change the environment to suit, the enlightened man knows which course is the best on all occasions....
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It's the kind of attitude that guarantees Democratic supremacy in Presidential elections for the forseeable future. May it never, ever change.
 
Wiggen said:
It's the kind of attitude that guarantees Democratic supremacy in Presidential elections for the forseeable future. May it never, ever change.
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yeah that would be great for the parasites-until the money runs out. then they will starve. what tends to be good for dems winning elections is really bad for America
 
As far as what I think of people who had a chance are the ones who we wouldn't be able to calculate what kind of voter surge would be behind them... Herman Cain and Ron Paul... we have no idea how many votes they could of taken from the democrats and both of them could of gone either way as a complete sham or success.
 
celticwar17 said:
As far as what I think of people who had a chance are the ones who we wouldn't be able to calculate what kind of voter surge would be behind them... Herman Cain and Ron Paul... we have no idea how many votes they could of taken from the democrats and both of them could of gone either way as a complete sham or success.
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neither would have had a chance

Caine had way too much baggage and Ron Paul comes off nutty. lots of corporate republicans wouldn't have voted for him due to his isolationist views
 
TurtleDude said:
neither would have had a chance

Caine had way too much baggage and Ron Paul comes off nutty. lots of corporate republicans wouldn't have voted for him due to his isolationist views
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I think a lot of conservatives were desperate enough to vote for him anyway.
 
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